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re: How badly does College Basketball need a change?
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:27 pm to hoopsgalore
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:27 pm to hoopsgalore
Wisconsin is part of the problem with college basketball, no one wants to watch that shite. No one.
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Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:29 pm to UltimateHog
When Bo Ryan has had the athletes, Wisconsin's teams have been just fine to watch. You haven't watched them the past two seasons, you didn't watch them Alando Tucker's senior year, and you didn't watch them Devin Harris' junior year.
ETA: last season, Wisconsin was the only team in the country to win in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and 100s. Simply, they can win playing any style. What's the beef?
ETA: last season, Wisconsin was the only team in the country to win in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and 100s. Simply, they can win playing any style. What's the beef?
This post was edited on 3/2/15 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:32 pm to UltimateHog
I love watching Wisconsin play. They are infuriating, and honestly, a lot like the style of play LSU had under Maravich. Tons of screens, setting up the shot for your star player.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:34 pm to Bunk Moreland
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Yeah, we'll just see more poor possessions.
Or you will just see teams get in to their offense quicker
This post was edited on 3/2/15 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:34 pm to Baloo
quote:Can you see into the future or what? How do you know LSU's recruting success under JJ is an 'aberration'?
Yes. It's an aberration. It's not sustainable.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:36 pm to hoopsgalore
Just no one likes to watch Ryan's style, they are used as a prime example any time this comes up.
People want to watch entertainment, pressing/uptempo faster paced games with teams scoring in the 80's every game or close. Just how it is for about any sport, people like scoring.
People want to watch entertainment, pressing/uptempo faster paced games with teams scoring in the 80's every game or close. Just how it is for about any sport, people like scoring.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:37 pm to tgr4ever
He's just saying power fives that don't reload every year will rise up and have a great year or two, then fade. Michigan is a great example. They caught two great years, lost five guys early due to that success, and blow goats this year (there was also some other bad luck with transfers/injuries). Izzo has been an interesting guy to study with one and dones. He has built consistency on finding guys who stay three or four years, but I think realized it's tough to win championships with those teams when you go up against a team like Derrick Rose's Memphis squad.
This post was edited on 3/2/15 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:40 pm to UltimateHog
Well, 78% of college basketball teams this season are scoring less points/game than Wisconsin and over 99% of college basketball teams are scoring less points/possession.
To each his own, but there has been nothing wrong with Bo Ryan teams when he has the blend of skill and talent. Neither of those are at his disposal on an annual basis like a Bill Self, Roy Williams, Coach K, John Calipari, etc. His system works with many under-the-radar players and there's a reason why he has the highest winning percentage in B1G history. He does what he has to do win. Sometimes that is outscoring your opponents in a high-scoring affair. Other times, it is playing a deliberate style.
To each his own, but there has been nothing wrong with Bo Ryan teams when he has the blend of skill and talent. Neither of those are at his disposal on an annual basis like a Bill Self, Roy Williams, Coach K, John Calipari, etc. His system works with many under-the-radar players and there's a reason why he has the highest winning percentage in B1G history. He does what he has to do win. Sometimes that is outscoring your opponents in a high-scoring affair. Other times, it is playing a deliberate style.
This post was edited on 3/2/15 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:42 pm to hoopsgalore
It's not just Ryan, Wisky is used primarily, but it's the B1G perception as a whole.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:46 pm to Baloo
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Yes. It's an aberration. It's not sustainable. LSU's basketball program is far, far weaker than it was in the 80s/90s. We were more than just lucking into Shaq.
So your basis is that Kentucky, Duke, and other blue bloods are getting too much talent right now? How will that change, it has been like that forever.
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mid major teams were not regulars in the Final Four prior to the one and done rule. Now, they are. Why do you think that is?
Brad Stevens is a hell of a basketball coach. He is getting more out of less talent than most NBA coaches I can ever recall.
Plus a midmajor sneaking in to the Final Four isn't some new thing. It is single elimination tournament. Teams get hot. Just go through a list of final four teams, more often then not you will see one or two teams that make you go "wut."
None of them have won it either.
The one and done rule effect so few number of schools the idea that it has any sort of dramatic effect is ludicrous. There are what maybe 10 one and done guys a year? There are 300+ D1 teams with 13 scholarship players. The NBA takes 60 players in the draft and about 20 of those guys are from overseas. To act like the NBA is having any sort of negative effect is just disingenuous.
People look to Kentucky as some sort of wrong thing with CBB, except they do everything the way people want to see with CBB teams. They share the ball, they play good defense, they don't worry about stats and minutes, and they are good kids.
Majority of the arguments people make against the one and done rule are just weak and just don't make much sense in the grand scheme of things.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:47 pm to tgr4ever
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How do you know LSU's recruting success under JJ is an 'aberration'?
Not every 5 star kid has a relative on LSU's staff...
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:48 pm to RTR America
blakeney is a pretty big time recruit. So was Martin.
This post was edited on 3/2/15 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:48 pm to RTR America
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So your basis is that Kentucky, Duke, and other blue bloods are getting too much talent right now? How will that change, it has been like that forever.
Well Kentucky is on another level from anyone else, on the court currently or recruiting wise. They are an NBA factory and if given the option, half their current team would already be in the NBA. Would change a ton for them specifically.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:52 pm to UltimateHog
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Well Kentucky is on another level from anyone else, on the court currently or recruiting wise.
Duke has 9 McDonald's all Americans right now too.
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, half their current team would already be in the NBA.
No they wouldn't. They have 3 projected lottery guys (the type of guys that would skip college). 2 of those guys WCS and Booker weren't remotely considered lottery guys until they got to college.
Karl Towns is the only guy on the roster that it would have made sense for him to skip college.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:53 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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blakeney is a pretty big time recruit. So was Martin.
I'm just poking fun
I think next year will be huge to see if he can sustain things. If they don't accomplish much with those guys it might slow his recruiting down a bit.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:54 pm to RTR America
Hey look a top 25 team has 18 points at halftime...
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:56 pm to RTR America
Yeah in the only game I've wanted them to win in the past like 5 years. frick Iowa state
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:58 pm to RTR America
You severely underestimate how many kids would go pro without college, ready or not, their decision.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:58 pm to Baloo
I agree 100% with everything Tim Cluess said in the article IonaTiger posted. The big schools/coaches have choked the offense out of the game. Set plays have a very important role in bball but coaches have micromanaged their teams to death. There is so much wasted player motion in college.
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