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re: If the MLS goes on strike...
Posted on 2/11/15 at 7:28 am to uway
Posted on 2/11/15 at 7:28 am to uway
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I think MLS fans are mostly real fans of the sport and won't be put off by a strike.
And they will side with the players if the players have a legit beef
This.
Stu bear will report it. Mike and Mike might mention it. But it definitely wont get the play that other CBA negotiations from other sports have gotten.
If they strike, well Jurgy gets his earlier camp and can try to book more friendlies (I said try)
I dont see this ruining the sport in America. They just want a little more freedom with choosing a team (i.e.- actually being free agents) and this ESPNFC is going to try to sensationalize it
Posted on 2/11/15 at 7:31 am to StTiger
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I dont see this ruining the sport in America.
In terms of making the league better, it will hurt the MLS
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They just want a little more freedom with choosing a team
and they should, im very pro free agency but a strike would devastate the league
Issue is the some of the owners and the league view this as the first step of losing control.
The franchise model just doesn't work in soccer.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:03 pm to StTiger
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If they strike, well Jurgy gets his earlier camp and can try to book more friendlies (I said try)
I think this might cause players to want to avoid a strike
Posted on 2/12/15 at 2:53 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Issue is the some of the owners and the league view this as the first step of losing control.
The franchise model just doesn't work in soccer.
I think these two statements ask a big, scary question. Does MLS have a damned chance? If the league/owners won't let go of some control (maybe this CBA brings us to a much looser version of the current system but not quite to the same free agency the rest of the world uses), is MLS doomed to be a failure? I don't want to be defeatist, but if the league/owners won't take any real step towards what must happen to reach their goals of being a top-tier league, why keep fighting?
Posted on 2/12/15 at 3:00 am to DoreonthePlains
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Does MLS have a damned chance?
This is def the most important time in the league history.
But they knew this day would come, once MLS outgrew the structure it was based off of.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 12:16 pm to EastNastySwag
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We say that every work stoppage for every sport. NFL had a pretty nasty one and that did what? Not a damn thing. There is enough demand for a soccer game to take place in a professional setting in America.
That's the well-established NFL. Soccer would be hurt big-time. Hockey had a strike and was hurt a lot. Soccer is on much shakier footing than hockey ever was. No way they recover.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 2:52 pm to SoulGlo
You're absolutely right. If MLS starts their season late because of this I know for a fact that all youth leagues in the country will spontaneously combust and the future of soccer in our country will be doomed. Pick up games will cease. Interest in watching foreign leagues will decline. No child will want to pick up a soccer ball ever again. If I see little kids playing the sport for fun I know I will do my patriotic American duty and call them grass fairies before punching them in the face and throwing their ball over the nearest fence (real Americans throw balls not kick them). Soccer will never ever ever ever ever ever be as great as it was during the year 2014 here in this country. Not this year. Not one hundred years from now. Never.
Am I doing this right?
Am I doing this right?
Posted on 2/12/15 at 2:57 pm to SoulGlo
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That's the well-established NFL. Soccer would be hurt big-time. Hockey had a strike and was hurt a lot. Soccer is on much shakier footing than hockey ever was. No way they recover.
I disagree. It certainly wouldnt be helpful but everyone who thinks they would never ever recover are off base imo.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:57 pm to bbap
I think the MLS is on much stronger footing than NHL ever was.
The owners just like the low cost of running the teams now and they want to keep it that way. But the league has what, 20 years under its belt now? Safe to say it can loosen up a bit more. It's been 8 or so years since the designated player rule
I don't think a work stoppage will be that big of a deal and I don't think that will happen
The owners just like the low cost of running the teams now and they want to keep it that way. But the league has what, 20 years under its belt now? Safe to say it can loosen up a bit more. It's been 8 or so years since the designated player rule
I don't think a work stoppage will be that big of a deal and I don't think that will happen
This post was edited on 2/12/15 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:06 pm to bbap
Lets not forget, these players can't just strike and then go sign with a third division English team.
In order to play in England they will need work permits, which aren't exactly easy to get your hands on. Hell, who was the player who signed with Stoke but couldn't get a work permit?
I'm not sure how the Eurozone operates, but I doubt its totally open for non EU passport holders.
In order to play in England they will need work permits, which aren't exactly easy to get your hands on. Hell, who was the player who signed with Stoke but couldn't get a work permit?
I'm not sure how the Eurozone operates, but I doubt its totally open for non EU passport holders.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:16 pm to SM6
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Lets not forget, these players can't just strike and then go sign with a third division English team.
In order to play in England they will need work permits, which aren't exactly easy to get your hands on. Hell, who was the player who signed with Stoke but couldn't get a work permit?
I'm not sure how the Eurozone operates, but I doubt its totally open for non EU passport holders.
which suck b/c some of these guys make league two wages
the work permit is only for the uk
but eu holders don't need one to play in the uk
An MLS strike won't kill the growth of soccer in the country. It will just frick the MLS for many many years.
We can kiss this top 5 league aspirations by 2022 already good bye
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:17 pm to SM6
Just for those wondering...
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Workers from the United Kingdom or any of the British overseas territories or British crown dependencies do not require any work permit or other documentation to work in England under British law.
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Players who are citizens in countries, countries, countries can play in England without a work permit due to the United Kingdom's membership in the European Economic Area, a single market agreement treaty tied to the European Union's economic policies.
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Anyone outside of the aforementioned countries can play in the Premier League or the Football League if they obtain a Governing Body Endorsement under Tier 2 of the United Kingdom's five tier immigration scheme.
In order to get this endorsement, they need to have played in at least 75 percent of their country's "A" or primary national team matches, which includes any World Cup or World Cup qualifying game, or any Continental tournament game. They also need to play for a country that has averaged at least 70th place or higher in the FIFA rankings over the past two years.
This post was edited on 2/12/15 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:19 pm to StTiger
Which is why, initially, they had questions about whether Yedlin would have received a permit, if he would have left immediately instead of waiting till January
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:50 pm to SM6
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I'm not sure how the Eurozone operates, but I doubt its totally open for non EU passport holders.
Yeah, it's not that easy because there are quotas on non-EU players.
It's a lot easier for a player to get the "work permit" in countries other than the UK if the club signs them.
However, the non-EU quotas already create huge juggling act for clubs and are a very valuable commodity since even lower tier clubs can use them to "launder" (mainly South American) players that larger clubs will then buy.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 6:16 pm to wm72
This is a good sign. Mediators normally don't come into the fray before a strike/stoppage. Sounds like neither side want to jump off the cliff.
mediators getting involved
mediators getting involved
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