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re: How bad can it possibly be? How can someone with their whole life ahead of them
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:48 pm to SECdragonmaster
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:48 pm to SECdragonmaster
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Published author, medical director, forensic consultant, and clinical psychiatrist.
I don't believe you at all. If you are, give up your license. It's people like you who stigmatize the depressed mind and cause people with severe depression to retreat further into their own psychosis.
If you were an actual psychiatrist, you would know that the depressed mind doesn't view the act of suicide from the same logical standpoint of a person with a brain that is functioning normally. It is not a matter of selfishness to them. That is only how we see it.
"Choose to live." No shite. Easy sentiment. You sound like some scientologist or some bullshite. Go align your chakras with Xanu or whatever the frick alien is your god and stop feeding into the OP's own sorrow over the death of someone close to him/her.
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Posted on 2/9/15 at 11:20 pm to SECdragonmaster
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Published author, medical director, forensic consultant, and clinical psychiatrist.
And Scruffy is the janitor in the White House.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 11:23 pm to SECdragonmaster
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Yes to all of the above. Published author, medical director, forensic consultant, and clinical psychiatrist.
I hope you're lying. You sound like you're pretty shitty at what claim to do.
This post was edited on 2/9/15 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 2/9/15 at 11:38 pm to ReauxlTide222
It's a mental illness dude.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 12:40 am to dcrews
quote:You're right. In my opinion you're exactly right. I've lost my shite before. Thankfully it just isn't on a grand scale. But I've done things(while extremely upset) that while "normal" I'd NEVER do.
Think about it logically. For instance. I'm sure at some point in our lives, everyone has blown up at someone. I mean, really lost it. Then 15 seconds later, you apologize, not realizing what came over you. Same with suicide. You can have a happy life for every single second that you are alive. But all it takes, is that 15-30 seconds (out of the millions of seconds that you will live) for you have that moment of mental/emotional weakness and vulnerability. Only this time, once you've acted, you can't apologize or say I'm sorry. It's permanent.
Maybe people just have that worse and cross the line?
Posted on 2/10/15 at 2:05 am to ReauxlTide222
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Maybe people just have that worse and cross the line?
It's not always like that though. For a lot of people it's a feeling of being worn down and worn down and worn down until you just can't keep it up anymore. Someone who is thinking of committing suicide isn't thinking logically or rationally so what may seem like just another problem to someone on the outside can feel like the final straw to someone who is suicidal.
I'm sorry for your loss, but don't beat yourself up over talking to him and not knowing/finding out what was going on in his head. Talking about those kinds of feelings with a friend was probably the hardest thing I've ever done.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 2:07 am to dcrews
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I'm sure at some point in our lives, everyone has blown up at someone. I mean, really lost it. Then 15 seconds later, you apologize, not realizing what came over you.
Same with suicide. You can have a happy life for every single second that you are alive. But all it takes, is that 15-30 seconds (out of the millions of seconds that you will live) for you have that moment of mental/emotional weakness and vulnerability.
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People that commit suicide don't do it flippantly because they got in an argument with someone or had a bad day. Its the result of someone that is very depressed and has been so for a while.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 2:17 am to Cockopotamus
I don't believe that people that commit suicide are selfish they are simply crazy. Killing ones self goes against the basic instinct of self preservation and survival so there has to be something wrong upstairs to do such a thing. In my experience you cannot generally find reason in the actions of a nut.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 2:29 am to DanTiger
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hey are simply crazy. Killing ones self goes against the basic instinct of self preservation and survival so there has to be something wrong upstairs to do such a thing. In my experience you cannot generally find reason in the actions of a nut.
You're reinforcing the stigma and embarrassment of dealing with this issue by using words like "nut" and "crazy"
Posted on 2/10/15 at 3:39 am to ReauxlTide222
Some people may feel stuck in situations where they just don't feel like life is worth living.
I've comitted suicide twice before getting my feet under me and being happy with life. Metaphorically of course. People shouldn't take life so literal.
I've comitted suicide twice before getting my feet under me and being happy with life. Metaphorically of course. People shouldn't take life so literal.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:11 am to ReauxlTide222
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This post was edited on 2/10/15 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 2/10/15 at 5:13 am to dawg4lyfe
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Depression is a bitch. I struggle with it, but suicide is not an option. Couldn't put my family through that.
This. It's never gotten that bad for me, but I admit, I've had some really shitty stretches.
As for the OP, so sad to hear what happened
.Posted on 2/10/15 at 5:14 am to FT
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FT
Didn't know Colin, but I do remember you talking about your issues. Hoping things are obviously better now for you and glad you've posted some encouragement as well.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 5:36 am to FT
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FT
I'm glad you stuck around and hope you've come or are coming out of that dark place. Unlike some of the presumptuous assholes in this thread, I can't even imagine what that's like on my worst day.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 5:36 am to SpartyGator
Without reading this thread, my heart goes out to all that has ever had to deal with this problem. I have had to deal with it with someone in my family. it's like walking on egg shells at times with a shifting wind that can swap in a heat beat. I told this family member that if I could take away the pain and take it on myself, I would do it right away knowing that this person has been fighting depression all there life.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 5:39 am to Dubosed
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My father told me a long time ago that taking your own life is the most selfish and cowardly thing a man can ever do.
Your father seems like he was very good at parroting shite he'd heard before but not really thinking about it. Selfish kind of makes sense, but cowardly is just asinine. Someone who takes their own life faces the greatest unknown humans have, the deepest fear that we face from the time we become self-aware, and they face it willingly!! While most of us try to spend our days not thinking about death, they weigh the consequences and choose it as a better option over what they know. That's the opposite of cowardice. Those who call it cowardly are just trying to marginalize a decision that they can't wrap their heads around.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 5:50 am to LucasP
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Those who call it cowardly are just trying to marginalize a decision that they can't wrap their heads around.
This due to not knowing any better or ever having to deal with someone that has mental problems.
I was one that did think as if someone that did take there life was a selfish act till I learn better.
The problem is that the avg Joe has never had to deal with someone that has a mental illness. That is the problem. It's still kept behind close doors.
A course should be taught in high school or even sooner.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 5:51 am to SpartyGator
This thread is a perfect example of why we live in a society of people who are miserable and can never get along.
Arrogance.
You project your arrogance on to me. You assume that I don't understand my patients pain. You pretend to know that I can't relate to my patients because of my knowledge of this one particular area. You know nothing about me or my demeanor.
I come off as arrogant in my statements because you dont start the discussion with a correct assessment of your knowledge.
If this topic was about travel, home repair, fashion, dentistry, fitness, veterinary medicine, finance, mortgages, etc....I would not have this tone in my statements. Why? Because I would start with the premise that anyone working in those areas is wiser than me and they deserve the benefit of the doubt. If I was at a beach and a lifeguard told me the waves were not safe, I would say thank you for your concern about my safety and quickly get out of the water. It would not matter that I am a middle aged man and the lifeguard was 16. They probably have grown up on the beach and had extensive training on its safety.
When you have an area of your life that is a struggle, you have to be quiet and listen to others. Your feelings have no place in your immediate decisions. Your feelings will lie to you. When you are about to make an important decision, you get the opinion of others who love you and want the best for you. Whether it is buying a car or house, getting married, changing jobs, or even killing yourself.
I have never seen a patient attempt or complete suicide who was actively following good clinical advice. That does not mean they are cured. That does not mean they are not struggling every day. And it certainly does not mean that I do not empathize with them.
But the contrary is when someone decides (on their own) to make a permanent decision and leave everybody else to clean up the mess. It's not putting others first. It's not showing others how to overcome a struggle. It's not fighting for yourself and your family. It's giving up.
It's quite hard to empathize with quitting and causing pain to others on the way out.
Arrogance.
You project your arrogance on to me. You assume that I don't understand my patients pain. You pretend to know that I can't relate to my patients because of my knowledge of this one particular area. You know nothing about me or my demeanor.
I come off as arrogant in my statements because you dont start the discussion with a correct assessment of your knowledge.
If this topic was about travel, home repair, fashion, dentistry, fitness, veterinary medicine, finance, mortgages, etc....I would not have this tone in my statements. Why? Because I would start with the premise that anyone working in those areas is wiser than me and they deserve the benefit of the doubt. If I was at a beach and a lifeguard told me the waves were not safe, I would say thank you for your concern about my safety and quickly get out of the water. It would not matter that I am a middle aged man and the lifeguard was 16. They probably have grown up on the beach and had extensive training on its safety.
When you have an area of your life that is a struggle, you have to be quiet and listen to others. Your feelings have no place in your immediate decisions. Your feelings will lie to you. When you are about to make an important decision, you get the opinion of others who love you and want the best for you. Whether it is buying a car or house, getting married, changing jobs, or even killing yourself.
I have never seen a patient attempt or complete suicide who was actively following good clinical advice. That does not mean they are cured. That does not mean they are not struggling every day. And it certainly does not mean that I do not empathize with them.
But the contrary is when someone decides (on their own) to make a permanent decision and leave everybody else to clean up the mess. It's not putting others first. It's not showing others how to overcome a struggle. It's not fighting for yourself and your family. It's giving up.
It's quite hard to empathize with quitting and causing pain to others on the way out.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 6:03 am to SECdragonmaster
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I have never seen a patient attempt or complete suicide who was actively following good clinical advice. That does not mean they are cured.
That is the problem right there. People with mental problems never and I mean never get all the help they need due to cost or insurance. This person in my family has been seeking help from the age of 12 years old and is now 35. Can't keep a job longer then a year at a time due to mental problems. Free help? Suuuurrrrre.
There is no such thing when it comes to mental illness.Posted on 2/10/15 at 6:17 am to Paige
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Hijack. Can you recommend a good sleeping pill? I'm trying to get off Seroquel.
That is a hijack and not a simple answer.
Seroquel helps sleep from a bunch of different directions. It is a sedating dopamine agent but it often helps sleep by decreasing anxiety and decreasing obsessive thinking. It can even help sleep by augmenting antidepressant therapy which improves someone's mood and indirectly benefits sleep.
It is not a simple answer. You have to take into account all the other meds you may be on and try to target specific receptors that are currently uncovered. The posters comment on good sleep hygiene was good advice as well.
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