re: How bad can it possibly be? How can someone with their whole life ahead of them

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quote: You have no idea the depth and breath of my experience on this issue.

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Typing on a phone.

Thanks for noticing

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think killing themselves is ok? It's not ok. For fricks sake. Why would someone cause everyone around them this much heartache?

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Think about it logically.

For instance. I'm sure at some point in our lives, everyone has blown up at someone. I mean, really lost it. Then 15 seconds later, you apologize, not realizing what came over you.

Same with suicide. You can have a happy life for every single second that you are alive. But all it takes, is that 15-30 seconds (out of the millions of seconds that you will live) for you have that moment of mental/emotional weakness and vulnerability.

Only this time, once you've acted, you can't apologize or say I'm sorry. It's permanent.

Reasons ( fuses) vary but common thread with most is seeking a permanent solution to a temporary problem. In their depressed and/ or substance impaired worst hour they can 't see an end to their excruciating present . They don't see a light at the end of the tunnel even though it is there.
One close friend in high school got dumped by 2 year girlfriend. Shot himself on her wedding night. Permanent solution to temporary problem. Could have had a great life with somebody else .
Another battled drugs with wife's help. When relapsed thought she wouldn't help him again so shot himself. She would have helped again.
Another went thru financial setback after years of success. Humilated . Thought was worthless and shot himself. Family still loved him and would have made it to light at end of tunnel if could have just seen one.

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So my twenty year long battle with depression/bipolar disorder, years of seeing a counselor and psychiatrist, a couple of psych ward stays, some psych classes in college, a general interest in the topic and a BP uncle who committed suicide, all of which have led me to do somewhat extensive reading on the topic are trumped by what? You a doctor?

do you have any idea the statistics on how many times people have previously thought of or tried to commit suicide before their final fatal attempt?

Do you really think for most people it's a snap judgement that they never before considered?

I wish everyone who commented in this thread had some sort of knowledge about the subject

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wish everyone who commented in this thread had some sort of knowledge about the subject

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I think more people do than you think

Uninformed, you mean?

Yea I agree.

Must be the typing on the phone

ETA: damnit

It's a mind boggling subject. It's final for the folks who leave, but for the those left, trying to figure out they whys, it's never ending sometimes, particularly if the person wasn't in any type of treatment or hid the signs well.

My best friend's ex boyfriend who lived a few doors down from her shot himself while he was on the phone with her in high school. Unbelievable. Her Dad ran down the street and found him, immediately. He was involved with drugs, but I don't know what type. He was a dark person and now we believe it was much more than whatever drugs he may have been on. A combo, I suppose, but my gosh, I'll never forget that call from her. I was so angry with him for doing that to her. Took a long time for us to realize his pain and it wasn't about her. For the life of me, though, I don't know why he had to do it on the phone with her. It just wasn't really him. It was the illness. That's how we came to deal with it, anyway.

I have a few friends who are bipolar and live very happy lives until their meds get off kilter. They go to dark places I can't begin to understand. It's a challenge for them to even call the doctor to get help. They're so forlorn that this seemingly simple task is not the first thing on their minds. Their descriptions of how they feel are incredible and so hard to digest or comprehend. They will tell me they're happy and there's really nothing worrying them before this happens, but when it happens, everything changes beyond their control. Everything is horrible. Usually someone gets them to the doctor when it happens, somehow. One was almost successful in leaving. It's hard to imagine. Devastatingly dark.

That's why I see my Dr every month. For years

He tries to stretch it to two months but I always end up out of whack before then