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re: Cam Cameron On The Hot Seat?
Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:39 pm to DeltaDoc
Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:39 pm to DeltaDoc
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He is a Top 10 NFL QB...with a Super Bowl win...I'd say that is pretty talented.
Sure, that's what he is now... But he was viewed as a huge project in 2008 coming out of Delaware.
This post was edited on 1/23/15 at 4:39 pm
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Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:43 pm to madddoggydawg
oh God.... 
Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:45 pm to RB10
quote:
I'm assuming you're talking about lee as the second, and you would be wrong.
You should have a look see at the numbers.
Ratings per CFBStats.com
2008
JJ 112.88
Lee 116.92
2009
JJ 137.18
Lee 92.87
2010
JJ 114.65
Lee 119.92
2011
JJ 138.71
Lee 152.04
Both finished their careers with their highest rating. Both had a year where their rating decreased from the prior year.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:52 pm to amiznit
Do you realize how idiotic it is to use 2009 in your argument against Lee when he threw 40 passes for the entire season?
Posted on 1/23/15 at 7:51 pm to amiznit
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Both finished their careers with their highest rating. Both had a year where their rating decreased from the prior year.
So you're using 2009 as the reason Lee didn't improve. 2009. The year Lee hardly played.
Solid logic right there.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:11 pm to RB10
My mistake...Jennings finished #97 in QBR. That's progress! Two more years and maybe he'll crack the top 75. Who knows, maybe we'll only lose four games next year if he's the starter. 
Still waiting for you to prove your definition which you've failed to do. I didn't recommend Wikipedia but simply gave you the option to use anything. You couldn't because you just make it up as you go.
According to your logic
nobody should ever be replaced because they'll get much better with additional experience. We would've still been starting D.J Welter and sitting Fournette if you were the coach. Once again...it WAS the QB.
Still waiting for you to prove your definition which you've failed to do. I didn't recommend Wikipedia but simply gave you the option to use anything. You couldn't because you just make it up as you go.
According to your logic
nobody should ever be replaced because they'll get much better with additional experience. We would've still been starting D.J Welter and sitting Fournette if you were the coach. Once again...it WAS the QB.Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:28 pm to Earn Your Keep
for the last time (or maybe not), IT'S NOT THE QB'S, IT'S THE OFFENSE. Both Jennings and Harris are more than adequate QB's and 4 stars. Both would be serviceable QB's on pretty much any other teams in the country. We are going to dial up the offense next season. Miles and Cam learned a few things about running an offense lately. Next season watch for changes to the offense and much improvemed play from the QB position as well as from the receivers, who also played poorly in that offense. The whole pass offense was out of sync and just some minor changes will go a long way to improving the offense. Cam is not the idiot nor is Jennings as bad as many on here believe them to be. Cam has been around the game a long time and knows a thing or two.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:50 pm to boxcar willie
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for the last time (or maybe not), IT'S NOT THE QB'S, IT'S THE OFFENSE
No matter how many times you say this, its not gonna make it true.
Our scheme has proven to be fine when we have a qb that can execute. Any offense is gonna look like shite if your qb is only completing 48% of his passes.
When we have a qb that plays decent our offense is good.2006,2007,2008 ( aside from Lee's pick sixes , our offense was 23rd, in the entire country, in OFFENSIVE POINTS PER GAME),2009 (JJ threw 17tds-7 ints ,61 compl %,137.2 qb rating and our offense was 16th, in the entire country, in OFFENSIVE POINTS PER GAME),2011,&2013.
FACTS prove our scheme is fine.
This post was edited on 1/23/15 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:56 pm to OPOSPRPLGLD
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Our passing game has been very pedestrian since Miles appeared on the scene.
What? He has had a qb match the single season passing td record(Flynn)
He's had another qb tie the single season passing td record while also setting the single season completion % record (JRuss).
He had another qb that was 260 yards shy of throwing for more yards, in a season, than any lsu qb EVER and threw 1000 yards to two different receivers(Mett).
He had another QB lead the sec in passing efficiency (Lee).
Posted on 1/23/15 at 11:44 pm to boxcar willie
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IT'S NOT THE QB'S, IT'S THE OFFENSE. Both Jennings and Harris are more than adequate QB's and 4 stars.
Wow. Just when you think the Rant couldn't produce any dumber statements, there's always another to take it's place.
First off, recruiting rankings don't always translate to on field success at the college level. This seems to the case with Jennings. No matter the system or the coaching, Jennings would have his struggles because A) He isn't comfortable in the pocket which causes him to not see the field very well. B) He isn't very accurate mostly on the short & intermediate throws. There's a possibility that Jennings may have already maxed out on his potential.
Harris on the other hand, has gifts that Jennings simply doesn't possess. Superior arm strength, better touch & better open field running ability. Just because Harris possesses these gifts, doesn't mean he should have been a Heisman candidate the minute he stepped foot on campus. Too many fans are caught up in this now generation that they lose sight that some players take more time to develop & transition than other players especially quarterbacks. You can't pop these guys into a microwave for a few minutes & expect them to be great in just a few minutes. What we saw of Harris this season was no where near what he will be once he is a finished project. He's set to make major strides heading into next season if he gets the play calling memorized & gains comfort with in the offensive system.
This post was edited on 1/23/15 at 11:56 pm
Posted on 1/24/15 at 12:12 am to BigBrod81
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What we saw of Harris this season was no where near what he will be once he is a finished project. He's set to make major strides heading into next season if he gets the play calling memorized & gains comfort with in the offensive system.
I really hope this will be a reality next season, because we all know that the competition is going to be a lot harder (elite teams are not only from SEC anymore).
Posted on 1/24/15 at 5:29 am to JaxTiger10
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ur scheme has proven to be fine when we have a qb that can execute.
the only thing it has proven is that it is fine with starting superstar NFL players at every skill position on offense and even then it was only pedestrian. On the positive side, changes are in the works for this coming season and we will see a much improved offense in 2015.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 5:34 am to BigBrod81
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Wow. Just when you think the Rant couldn't produce any dumber statements, there's always another to take it's place.
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There's a possibility that Jennings may have already maxed out on his potential.
wow just wow, that's just so dumb
what about the recieviers? have they maxed out their potiential as well, because they were simply awefull last season as well. Honestly it had nothing to do with either position group, both were victoms of our offense
Posted on 1/24/15 at 7:30 am to Earn Your Keep
quote:
Still waiting for you to prove your definition which you've failed to do.
I'm not going to post a link from the.internet to prove common sense.
quote:
According to your logic nobody should ever be replaced because they'll get much better with additional experience. We would've still been starting D.J Welter and sitting Fournette if you were the coach. Once again...it WAS the QB.
Again, you're a moron. You assume that I prefer Jennings to start over Harris... The reality being that I want the more talented guy to play, but recognize that a guy who has played organized football for all of 2 years prior to enrolling at LSU is not likely to be ready for this level after only 1 year.
But why am I arguing with someone who denies common sense and logic?
Posted on 1/24/15 at 8:51 am to chilge1
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chilge1
Response = Epic Failure
quote:...and there's your statement which cancels your "absolute" from your experience definition.
is not likely
I have NO problem agreeing to disagree...but please don't bring this juvenile argument of a QB getting better if you give him more time. We've seen enough. He lacks talent and we need to try someone else. At the rate of his "progression", we would likely need to petition the NCAA to allow him to play for another decade to reach a 50% completion rate.
Let's count...ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE losses and it could've been much worse.
THANK YOU Jennings for your service!!! You seem like a good kid who is dedicated to the team. Unfortunately all your efforts and numerous opportunities have not led to you read defenses, find open receivers, avoid staring down #83, being patient in the pocket, realizing Fournette is a better option to run than holding the ball yourself, understanding how the clock works, or learning how to be a leader.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 9:03 am to Earn Your Keep
My god.
It is traditional knowledge that an average QB is not sufficiently equipped to run any particular offense until his Junior year. So, no... based on the grapevine accounts of Harris's work ethic, I don't believe that he will be ready as a sophomore.
Rohan Davey was not ready as a sophomore. Jamarcus Russell was not ready as a redshirt freshman. Zach Mettenberger was not ready as a redshirt sophomore.
I'm just glad that the staff isn't as prone to knee-jerk reactions as you. Jennings is more of a leader than you could hope to be.
It is traditional knowledge that an average QB is not sufficiently equipped to run any particular offense until his Junior year. So, no... based on the grapevine accounts of Harris's work ethic, I don't believe that he will be ready as a sophomore.
Rohan Davey was not ready as a sophomore. Jamarcus Russell was not ready as a redshirt freshman. Zach Mettenberger was not ready as a redshirt sophomore.
I'm just glad that the staff isn't as prone to knee-jerk reactions as you. Jennings is more of a leader than you could hope to be.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 9:15 am to boxcar willie
quote:
IT'S NOT THE QB'S, IT'S THE OFFENSE.
do you even know anything about offenses besides what you read/see on ESPN? I mean, really...
Posted on 1/24/15 at 9:33 am to boxcar willie
quote:There's truth in this.
IT'S NOT THE QB'S, IT'S THE OFFENSE
Many routes are thrown off time and WR step counts for breaks, etc.
99% of the time a QB gets blame for balls ahead/behind/high/low without fans realizing the routes could be off and easily account for 10-15% reduced completion rate.
It's not uncommon with 1st year QBs and WRs working together.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 9:39 am to Mayhawman
He meant the pro-style offense as opposed to spread looks.
But this is spot-on and hardly mentioned. Look no further than Mett-OBJ-Landry
quote:
It's not uncommon with 1st year QBs and WRs working together.
But this is spot-on and hardly mentioned. Look no further than Mett-OBJ-Landry
Posted on 1/24/15 at 9:57 am to chilge1
quote:This is way overdone.
He meant the pro-style offense as opposed to spread looks.
We can change the OL spacing on 21, 12, 20 etc plays and still be pro style base.
Probably be more confusing to D than to run constant spread as long as you don't become too predictable doing it as a mix.
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