Started By
Message
locked post

Why has the Dow Jones done so well under the two recent Democratic presidents?

Posted on 12/26/14 at 2:20 pm
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15761 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 2:20 pm
But not to an equal or better amount under the most recent republicans?

What are the dems doing that has caused these massive gains over the last 21 years? Note that one stopped an economic meltdown.

Is there anything that the next republican pres can learn from the experience of these two dems to keep this trend going?
This post was edited on 12/26/14 at 3:00 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69465 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 2:22 pm to
low interest rates and QE. The stock market was very healthy for most of W's presidency, though.
Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
Member since Jul 2013
24514 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 2:26 pm to
quote:

Is there anything that the next republican pres can learn from the experience of these two dems to keep this trend going?


Yeah just don't end QE and they will be fine
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263098 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 2:30 pm to
Continue giving money to banks.
Posted by CherryGarciaMan
Sugar Magnolia
Member since Aug 2012
2497 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 2:33 pm to
Gov't policies create an environment for economic growth

Monetary policies create stock market growth
Posted by red_giraffe
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2012
1045 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 2:37 pm to
Further proof that the Republicans failed policy under their God, Ronald Reagan, are inferior to President Obama's economic policies. The rich don't do shite for this country.
Posted by TupeloTiger
Tupelo,Ms.[via Bastrop,La.]
Member since Jul 2004
4340 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 3:18 pm to
The Stock Market has done well because Obama has ordered the Fed to keep Interest Rates very low for 6 years,therefore there is no gain in CD's, so, people have to buy stocks instead of CD's. All the investment and retirement money is going into stocks, plus, the printing of paper money to cover a "no cuts money policy" of Obama to cover the 18 Trillion in deficits causes the value of paper money to go down, so, put your money in stocks for gains or Dividends. That's what I have done. Dividends are great to add to price gains.
Posted by Dirty Don
Zachary
Member since Apr 2014
527 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 3:18 pm to

LINK

This details the start of the QE program (at the very END of W's presidency) and it's effect on the market. The US president has no control over the Federal Reserve and their actions, therefore any gains or losses in the stock market cannot be credited with Barack Obama or his policies. The Fed's policy of easy money has artificially pumped the stock market up.

Bill Clinton just happened to be president when the Dawn of the Internet Age came upon us and transformed commerce. The market became enamored with anything with a "dot com" behind it. Investors threw massive amounts of money into companies that developed an online presence whether they produced a profit or not. Evidence of this happened when the tech bubble burst at the end of Clinton's presidency. While the internet age was taking hold during the 90's, the subprime mortgage industry grew 100 fold due to Clinton's repeal of Glass-Steagal Act and fundamental changes to Jimmy Carter's Community Reinvestment Act of 1977. Close examination of these actions show that the government made banks abandon sound lending practices and forced them to give mortgage loans to people who couldn't really afford them. Through Freddy and Fannie, the government acted as a backstop to defaulting loans. Literally these companies could not lose. These actions grew balance sheets for banks and mortgage companies pumping stocks further up.
Also, during this time period, companies like Enron and WorldCom showed that certain liberties could be taken in accounting practices, leading to further stock pumping. How many companies that engaged in practices like this and got away with it?

So your basic premise that "Democratic presidents are engaging in policies that are good for stocks" is a somewhat faulty argument. A truly objective look proves that
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68641 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 3:28 pm to
quote:

Note that one stopped an economic meltdown.



You obviously weren't paying attention.
Posted by mostbesttigerfanever
TD platinum member suite in TS
Member since Jan 2010
5016 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 4:09 pm to
TARP was started under GW. The market turned in March of '09. To say that Obama stopped a meltdown is just ignorant.
Posted by Reubaltaich
A nation under duress
Member since Jun 2006
4983 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 6:54 pm to
Ton's of QE via the Fed

Banks are sitting on mega $$$ in reserves. That money is gotta go somewhere. So its flooding the markets, driving up prices.
Posted by namvet6566
Member since Oct 2012
6857 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 7:01 pm to
All Libs are ogling over the Stock Market but..........how many Americans are NOT n the market????

Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
71754 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 7:24 pm to
quote:

Why has the Dow Jones done so well under the two recent Democratic presidents?


We're talking about two radically different economies.

Under Clinton, we created 22 million new jobs, had historically low unemployment, and enjoyed an increase in the nation's median income.

Under Ogump, we have the lowest labor force participation rate in decades and the people who are lucky enough to have full time jobs are getting paid less.

Under Clinton, the stock market was reflecting a fundamentally strong economy (no matter how much or how little credit you want to give to him). Under Ogump, the stock market is a mirage resulting from years of cheap money being given to people who simply move that money around instead of producing anything of value.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36129 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 7:38 pm to
Gridlock. The dOw loves it
Posted by tigress4life
BR
Member since May 2007
956 posts
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:26 am to
quote:

jeff5891


These "massive gains" are simply "bubbles" that are artificially made, and rich people will get richer and the "bubble" will burst as it always does and then taxpayers as usual will be charged to make repairs to whatever sector this bubble formed in.

There is a big difference between "Wall Street" and "Main Street". A healthy Wall Street has little to do with a healthy economy which would benefit all.

The middle class which lives on "Main Street" is not doing well, is shrinking, and during this Dem presidency has seen its personal wealth level set back to Dem prez Carter's term.

Beginning with O's term the Fed has pumped 30+ billion monthly, then as O's recovery failed,that amount was raised to 80+ billion a month into the economy. This money is not based on anything; it is a "debt" and is being financed by the issuance of bonds which China has been buying since O took office. During O's first term China was provided a direct line to purchase this "debt", an arrangement this is unprecedented in the history of the U.S.

Both the artificial low level of interest rates and the pumping of worthless money into the economy aside; Wall Street's wealth is made on "bubbles" formed in various sectors of the economy.
It is no longer tied to a manufacturing base as it always had been. The final blow to an economy based on manufacturing came when Clinton gave permanent status for most favored nation to China finishing decades of destruction of an manufacturing economy by Democrats.

"bubbles" in the sectors of the economy have and will always burst. The housing industry/finance "meltdown" was simply that "bubble" bursting. Bush warned the Dems running Freddie/Fannie 18 times in one year of this, because the decisions Dems made which caused the bubble aren't based on any sound financial principles.

Mind you also if a crony of the Dem prez a big contributor knows what the prez will do, they can invest accordingly. For example the denial of Keystone has less to do with appeasing the eco-lunatics than with appeasing big investor/donors who would lose money if the method of transporting that oil would change.

The only thing to be learned is we have a bubble economy, thanks to the Dems, and when the bubble forms rich investors will make lots of money, and when it bursts the taxpayer will be called upon to pick up the pieces, duh.

Posted by tigress4life
BR
Member since May 2007
956 posts
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:35 am to
quote:

these massive gains

are just "bubbles" that form in various sectors artificially and as they are "bubbles" will of course burst.

quote:

economic meltdown


This was just a housing/finance industry "bubble" that burst.
A big "bubble" because it took decades of laws and regulations that stripped sound financial principles from these industries.
Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
17248 posts
Posted on 12/28/14 at 11:53 am to
quote:

Is there anything that the next republican pres can learn from the experience of these two dems to keep this trend going?



Throw a shite ton of fake money into the market?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57517 posts
Posted on 12/28/14 at 3:17 pm to
quote:

Why has the Dow Jones done so well under the two recent Democratic presidents?
Has it? The DJIA is 30 stocks. Further, it only measures price, not volume nor direction of capital. As a measure of economic strength... it's 100% useless.


quote:

What are the dems doing that has caused these massive gains over the last 21 years? Note that one stopped an economic meltdown.
No.

The "gains" in the DJIA have ZERO economic value. They only represent unrealized gains (at best). Take the dot-com run up... or Enron. Investors made "millions" on paper. But in terms of real wealth... they no only did no make any actual money, but lost it by the boat loads.

quote:

Is there anything that the next republican pres can learn from the experience of these two dems to keep this trend going?
Sure. Resume QE! The bigger question WTF would one want to continue with an artificially inflated stock market? Overpriced equities can only lead to one thing. And it isn't positive.
Posted by ironsides
Nashville, TN
Member since May 2006
8153 posts
Posted on 12/29/14 at 7:07 am to
Could have something to do with both Clinton and Obama started off with mediocre to shitty economies. Also don't forget the Internet was invented by Al Gore and you had that boom under Clinton.

Posted by Roaad
White Privilege Broker
Member since Aug 2006
76769 posts
Posted on 12/29/14 at 7:35 am to
quote:

But not to an equal or better amount under the most recent republicans?
Early 2000's was among the greatest periods of economic prosperity in US history. And he had to recover from a Clinton recession and then 9-11.
first pageprev pagePage 1 of 2Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitterInstagram