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re: Telling Quote by John Diarse in Tigerbait article
Posted on 12/23/14 at 1:50 pm to WalkingTurtles
Posted on 12/23/14 at 1:50 pm to WalkingTurtles
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Anthony struggled even in the Spring Game, I'm sure he looks great throwing WR drills, some guys are practice legends and workout warriors. Sounds more and more like Anthony Jennings has everything you would want but talent and ability to produce in games.
Perhaps he's the antithesis of Rohan Davey.
Rohan was noted for being a poor practice player, both in college and the NFL, but come gametime, he lit things up, while Booty was the opposite.
Wouldn't be shocking to me. In practice you're not really being pushed like in a real game, and seeing as you can't get hit (or at least blasted), it makes it a lot different.
Jennings decision making simply isn't good. I don't think his throwing ability is his biggest issue.
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Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:00 pm to TigerGman
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Not likely. Notre Dame's defense is awful. A decent showing Tuesday tells us nothing about how he's gonna play in the SEC next year.
Will their defense be worse than NMSU, because even against that horrible team, AJ was not just mediocre, he was God awful.
I feel for AJ. Miles and his staff are to blame for being in this same mess of a situation again, and not a single other person.
Their recruiting efforts and decisions have been horrible and led to the point where LSU is starting these guys before they are ready.
That is entirely on the coaches. Misses are one thing, but they had absolutely no back up plan, and if not for getting Mett (which was largely the luck of having him kicked off the UGA team), they'd have been in the same boat in 2012/2013.
I hope AJ turns the corner, but much like with JJ and Lee, being thrown into the fire too early was what killed their careers.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:04 pm to Penrod
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1. He definitely is improving and has not hit his ceiling
What? Where is the improvement honestly? Outside of them finally allowing him to run read option, where has his passing game improved?
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2. His ceiling is probably not very high. He doesn't have great arm strength, and he's on the short side.
True.
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3. While he's showing improvement, it isn't rapid.
Again, I've seen no improvement in his passing game or decision making. Playing a horrible defense in A&M does not mean he improved.
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4. His receivers were lousy this year because they weren't ready for prime time (besides Dural).
They weren't lousy, but did have some drops. He struggled with two NFL starters last year in his only start with a month to prepare.
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5. If Harris puts in the work he'll pass AJ; if not, AJ will probably be a capable QB next year.
There is no guarantee of this, and you know it. Putting in work has not always been the decision maker for Les and company. Otherwise, Lee would've been starting much more and wouldn't have only been promoted based on JJ's suspension.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:09 pm to boxcar willie
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you cant judge anything based on what he did prior to the A&M game. No QB would look worth a crap in that offense.
so you can only judge him when he looks good running a read-option offense against the worst defense in the sEC? Wow.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:20 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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This:
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because literally every conference game we played a defense that was better than aTm?
in response to this:
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why did the coaches not run a similar offense the entire season?
Are you trying to be this obtuse to troll the board or are you actually retarded?
I'm not seeing where this is difficult to comprehend. We didn't run a read option against other teams because there weren't giant holes in which to run through. It was actually run in previous games and AJ typically made the wrong decision and was dropped for a loss. Pretty simple logic being used here.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:30 pm to tigertracts
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People don't know what happens behind these walls.
What? rantards know everything in dem walls
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:32 pm to emanresu
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You think wearing a football jersey makes someone an expert at judging QB talent?
no logging on to the rant does
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:33 pm to Mr. Wayne
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I'm not seeing where this is difficult to comprehend. We didn't run a read option against other teams because there weren't giant holes in which to run through. It was actually run in previous games and AJ typically made the wrong decision and was dropped for a loss. Pretty simple logic being used here.
Ah...so what you're saying is that lining up in the I-formation frequently all season was the best bet on offense?
There were a larger variety of formations in the A&M game, at least in my opinion. And they incorporated jet sweeps and the like. Definitely could have done that in previous games regardless of defense. That's what I was getting at.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:37 pm to Prominentwon
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I get that this is your opinion and that's fine... But it's hilarious to me how all of you make it sound just so simple....just once, I'd like to see some of you guys that think you know every single thing about the ins and outs of offenses and who should do what and who should run what....go into the football program for a week..... There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that all of you would be completely lost within the first hour.
Prom, it is my opinion that the people who believe Miles doesn't understand offenses or Miles is an idiot are looking for an easy answer. I think it makes them feel good that they have it figured out. Miles being smart or competent creates too many complex questions that can't be explained with a simple "herdy der" answer. Miles being an idiot is safe for them, I just wonder if they ever think how such an idiot keeps getting raises and makes millions per year being so damn incompetent. Especially while most probably don't make a 5th of what he makes.
Are the people running LSU and TAF idiots as well??? If not, why do they keep Miles? If they are, the next question would be how does a bunch of idiots who run the LSU football program get it to the 5th most valued program in the country??? Probably because LSU is such a superior university that it's sheer greatness has it there despite talking monkeys being in charge. So the answer is, they are all idiots and LSU recruits itself to the point where anybody can win with this talent. No direction, no development, no understanding, just talking monkeys in charge. That sounds simple.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:41 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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Ah...so what you're saying is that lining up in the I-formation frequently all season was the best bet on offense?
Would the only bet also be considered the best bet?
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There were a larger variety of formations in the A&M game, at least in my opinion. And they incorporated jet sweeps and the like. Definitely could have done that in previous games regardless of defense. That's what I was getting at.
I agree with you, but it appears that Jennings has issues with vision. The preseason video of Cam saying they were going to run a 1940's offense if the guys didn't start getting it right speaks volumes now. I think the simplified formations and playcalling are a direct result from him not being able to grasp his options on given plays. So we get a lot of I form and 2 WR sets. He has a primary that the coaches know he will lock in on. If not there, sack or incompletion. I get it, it just makes me want to kill myself. We had a week to prepare for A&M and they had by far the worst run D in the league. We wouldn't have had success running that against Ole Miss or Bama. Worth a shot absolutely, but I think it would have gotten shut down. AJ's read option's in those games were atrocious.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:53 pm to PennyPacker
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I would say that if you watched Blake Simms or Nic Marshall or Dak Prescott with your same tainted eyes when they were soph QB's that you would have made similar comments.
Good god, please STOP with the "youth" excuse for AJ. He's been in Cam's system for two years and had a full season as starter, plus an entire month last year preparing for the bowl game. He's had enough time to be productive.
And Blake Sims was a first year starter after being converted from RB. Nick Marshall was a first year starter last year and led Auburn to the NC game. Oh by the way, he's a converted DB.
Have you not watched much college football? Young QBs play, and play well, frequently.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:59 pm to Geauxgurt
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That is entirely on the coaches. Misses are one thing, but they had absolutely no back up plan, and if not for getting Mett (which was largely the luck of having him kicked off the UGA team), they'd have been in the same boat in 2012/2013.
About the same boat as 2004.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 3:11 pm to atltiger6487
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And Blake Sims was a first year starter after being converted from RB. Nick Marshall was a first year starter last year and led Auburn to the NC game. Oh by the way, he's a converted DB. Have you not watched much college football? Young QBs play, and play well, frequently.
I suggest u research Sims and Marshall. Both played QB in high school. And yeah, Sims played RB his freshman year but QB the rest of his time at Al. And despite Ga making Marshall a DB he played QB in Jucco. So do you respond with dribble before you look at the facts???
I am not saying AJ shouldn't be farther ahead, but to say he can't get better or become adequate is unfounded. Some young QB's play early and are ok and some suck arse. If u watched the LSU/ Wisconsin game you could have witnessed Wisconsin with crap QB play as well. I hope whoever plays, they give us a better chance to win next year. I don't have to talk crap about one player to support another.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 3:39 pm to Alltheway Tigers!
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About the same boat as 2004.
How so? Marcus Randle as a Senior, Jamarcus as a RS FR, Flynn as a RS FR.
2005 we had 2 RS Sophmores, one with a ton of experience. It all started with RP. That son of a bitch destroyed the position at LSU and killed Miles confidence in the position in the process.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 3:41 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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Are you trying to be this obtuse to troll the board or are you actually retarded?
the amount of personal attacks that go ungoverned on this board, I can see why people make fun of people who post here.
its really not that hard to understand. if LSU had been running jet sweeps and zone reads against ole miss or bama, we would have been embarrassed.
EM-BARRR-ASSSSED.
I think the question you want to be asking our coaches is not "why did the coaches not run a similar offense the entire season? " but instead "why did we not gameplan for our opponent more wisely?" ie running straight up the middle for 2 1/2 quarters against miss st when they have one of the best front 7 in the league and one of the worst secondaries?
or why are we not making adjustments against arkansas when arkansas players are reading our plays before the play can even get off?
I will agree with you, its not all jennings fault, and cam cameron failed in a year where he really needed to prove hes worth 1.5 million. and you can say "well what about last year?" thats great that you got amazing production out of 4 future NFLers, but you were paid the big bucks to be able to put together a decent offense CONSISTENTLY, not "every so often when the stars align and a JUCO 6'5" NFL prototype with a bionic arm cannon pederast falls into your lap"
Posted on 12/23/14 at 3:46 pm to Mr. Wayne
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How so? Marcus Randle as a Senior, Jamarcus as a RS FR, Flynn as a RS FR.
2005 we had 2 RS Sophmores, one with a ton of experience.
I guess what makes 2005 different, was JaMarcus emerging. He, along with the other QBs were otherwise absolutely awful for most of 2004. Even Flynn looked ineffective against Iowa, and UGA in the title game. Never thought he'd flip the switch in the Miami game.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 4:10 pm to rjokerlsu
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Diarse is known as a pretty good leader and it seems like he is a good teammate.
But let's be realistic--he would welcome a more effective, consistent, QB, whose passes are on target and who can find his 2nd and 3rd receivers. But he won't say that either in social media or in interviews with print and broadcast media.
John is the smartest one out of all of us, and I predict he gets multiple targets vs. Notre Dame thanks to his supportive comments!
Posted on 12/23/14 at 4:13 pm to TigerAlum93
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John is the smartest one out of all of us, and I predict he gets multiple targets vs. Notre Dame thanks to his supportive comments!
Is that the only reason?
Posted on 12/23/14 at 4:15 pm to c on z
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I guess what makes 2005 different, was JaMarcus emerging
Was in his 3rd year in the program and had shared duties with Randle for a season. It was a decent situation, but even if he failed, Flynn was another 3rd year right behind him.
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He, along with the other QBs were otherwise absolutely awful for most of 2004
Sad part is, they were light years better than what we put out there this year.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 4:52 pm to PennyPacker
One does not have to be an idiot to make bad choices. You can be highly intelligent but lack common sense or being incredibly smart and effective in doing something a proven way but lack any skill at being innovative.
Over 10 years we have been plagued by poor QB play, unusual WR drops, RB by committee with little rhyme or reason too it, we haven't thrown to a TE since Robert Royal, we have seen 0 creativity or innovation in the gameplan and incredible time/game management issues. That's on Les.
Les likes to line and run it right at you, it's simple and effective and with our talent it works 80% of the time. However it's not good enough to win NCs. Heck Saban with the offense of the past years would not have been good enough but he adapted and allowed for innovation.
Miles may be a highly intelligent man which by all accounts he is, I just believe he makes some bad choices and tends to side with his own stubbornness more oft than not.
Over 10 years we have been plagued by poor QB play, unusual WR drops, RB by committee with little rhyme or reason too it, we haven't thrown to a TE since Robert Royal, we have seen 0 creativity or innovation in the gameplan and incredible time/game management issues. That's on Les.
Les likes to line and run it right at you, it's simple and effective and with our talent it works 80% of the time. However it's not good enough to win NCs. Heck Saban with the offense of the past years would not have been good enough but he adapted and allowed for innovation.
Miles may be a highly intelligent man which by all accounts he is, I just believe he makes some bad choices and tends to side with his own stubbornness more oft than not.
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