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Chances Harbaugh fails at Michigan?
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:26 pm
Assuming he takes the job. I put it at 60%. The UM people on here act like it's a guarantee that he'll resurrect the program. The possibility exists that he'll fail at Michigan and UM will be playing this same game again in four seasons. With the current state of college football, UM has a few inherent barriers to success:
1) Recruiting
Nationally, the BIG is considered weak, winters are extremely cold, and you have to recruit against Michigan State and Ohio State, and Notre Dame will always have a draw for some kids.
2) Urban at Ohio State
The dude is a great coach, he's got Ohio State rolling.
3) Resurgence of Michigan State.
It can't be beneficial to have your in-state rival as dominant as they have been.
4) Recent Suckage
Current recruits were BORN in 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000. These kids grew up with a view of the Michigan program from roughly 2003 to the present. A nice season here or there, but hardly the perspective of their moms and dads.
Harbaugh's a good coach, but his chance of success at Michigan (averaging 10+ wins a year) is less than 50/50.
Just saying.
1) Recruiting
Nationally, the BIG is considered weak, winters are extremely cold, and you have to recruit against Michigan State and Ohio State, and Notre Dame will always have a draw for some kids.
2) Urban at Ohio State
The dude is a great coach, he's got Ohio State rolling.
3) Resurgence of Michigan State.
It can't be beneficial to have your in-state rival as dominant as they have been.
4) Recent Suckage
Current recruits were BORN in 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000. These kids grew up with a view of the Michigan program from roughly 2003 to the present. A nice season here or there, but hardly the perspective of their moms and dads.
Harbaugh's a good coach, but his chance of success at Michigan (averaging 10+ wins a year) is less than 50/50.
Just saying.
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Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:33 pm to Smalls
Easily he is the best option for UM.
The recruiting stuff is just bullshite, he'll pull from MSU immediately and football isn't just played in warm temperatures. It's a terrible argument.
As far as his success, he's been successful everywhere he has coached. That doesn't guarantee anything though.
The recruiting stuff is just bullshite, he'll pull from MSU immediately and football isn't just played in warm temperatures. It's a terrible argument.
As far as his success, he's been successful everywhere he has coached. That doesn't guarantee anything though.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:35 pm to Smalls
I really wonder if he is still willing to recruit. NFL coaching is a lot less taxing because there is no recruiting.
That's why I think he stays in the NFL regardless of whatever ridiculous money Michigan throws at him.
That's why I think he stays in the NFL regardless of whatever ridiculous money Michigan throws at him.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:36 pm to Smalls
It looks like Shane Morris stinks. Harbaugh probably couldn't get a good QB in for this year's recruiting class, even if he goes to Michigan next week. So, he would now have to recruit a guy who is a freshman in Harbaugh's second year, and probably doesn't develop for another year or two. That could be a problem.
He would destroy in recruiting. All he has to do is talk about the Super Bowl and NFC Championship games. Not even Saban and Meyer can do that.
He would destroy in recruiting. All he has to do is talk about the Super Bowl and NFC Championship games. Not even Saban and Meyer can do that.
This post was edited on 12/21/14 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:59 pm to Smalls
It is possible that Harbaugh could fail at Michigan. I think he averages 10 wins per season over the next 10-15 years and turns the program entirely around.
He is instantly a top 5 coach in college.
Michigan with him there would instantly be Michigan again and its not like they had trouble recruiting with Hoke there. He took stanford to top 10 program and never had a recruiting class ranked above 47. He would have top ten classes at Michigan if that gives you an idea of the kind of teams / programs he would be putting on the field.
He is instantly a top 5 coach in college.
Michigan with him there would instantly be Michigan again and its not like they had trouble recruiting with Hoke there. He took stanford to top 10 program and never had a recruiting class ranked above 47. He would have top ten classes at Michigan if that gives you an idea of the kind of teams / programs he would be putting on the field.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 8:21 pm to Smalls
quote:
Harbaugh's a good coach, but his chance of success at Michigan (averaging 10+ wins a year) is less than 50/50.
Just saying.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 8:22 pm to Smalls
A lot contingent on the state of urbans ticker
Posted on 12/21/14 at 8:42 pm to Smalls
He's going to Oakland.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 9:13 pm to Smalls
100% chance he fails because he won't be going
Posted on 12/21/14 at 9:14 pm to Smalls
Very minimal to no chance at all he fails. It would shock me. Sorry but if you can make a Stanford a success it will be several times easier at a UM.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 9:16 pm to Smalls
There is chance he could fail because almost anything could happen. However, the realistic chances of him failing are far less than 50 percent. Dude is an awesome coach and his success in the NFL will get him tons of recruits. I personally believe he would own Urban. In fact, his hiring would probably give Urban more heart problems
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:12 am to Smalls
All signs point to a major let down
I think Hoke could have won with Andrew Luck as his QB.
The one saving grace is that BIG is garbage and showing zero signs of recovery - so it will be mostly a 2-3 game season every year
I think Hoke could have won with Andrew Luck as his QB.
The one saving grace is that BIG is garbage and showing zero signs of recovery - so it will be mostly a 2-3 game season every year
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 9:13 am
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:48 am to Smalls
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1) Recruiting
Nationally, the BIG is considered weak, winters are extremely cold, and you have to recruit against Michigan State and Ohio State, and Notre Dame will always have a draw for some kids.
It's still Michigan. Michigan recruits nationally...I believe that college kids would love to play for Harbaugh as well.
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2) Urban at Ohio State
The dude is a great coach, he's got Ohio State rolling.
Very true. Urban doesn't have much competition outside of Michigan State, Wisconsin and Nebraska. Harbaugh at Michigan will change lots of things.
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3) Resurgence of Michigan State.
It can't be beneficial to have your in-state rival as dominant as they have been.
Dantonio is a great coach. However, Michigan is still Michigan and Michigan State is still Michigan State. It's like when Auburn was beating Alabama 5 and 6 times in a row...it just takes one coach to change things at Michigan.
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4) Recent Suckage
Current recruits were BORN in 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000. These kids grew up with a view of the Michigan program from roughly 2003 to the present. A nice season here or there, but hardly the perspective of their moms and dads.
Ehh...this doesn't mean anything to me.
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Harbaugh's a good coach, but his chance of success at Michigan (averaging 10+ wins a year) is less than 50/50.
He had great success at Stanford. I see no reason to expect less at Michigan.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:54 am to Smalls
1. Recruiting will be top 10 every yr Harbaugh is there.This is Michigan u know Michigan, not practice.
2. Urban showed everyone why fight the SEC each yr. Its healthier to let them cannibalize each other while u take your 1 loss team to the playoffs each yr playing just 2-3 'tough' games a yr.
3.MSU is just renting this spot until Dantonio moves on or Um gets a good caoch.
4.Makes this opportunity one of the all time best in the field. Again See Urb "THe FRAud" Meyer.
This is Michigan, man, u know the Wolverines. Whoever gets this gig is set up for greatness. Harbaugh can win 8 games a yr there, asleep.
2. Urban showed everyone why fight the SEC each yr. Its healthier to let them cannibalize each other while u take your 1 loss team to the playoffs each yr playing just 2-3 'tough' games a yr.
3.MSU is just renting this spot until Dantonio moves on or Um gets a good caoch.
4.Makes this opportunity one of the all time best in the field. Again See Urb "THe FRAud" Meyer.
This is Michigan, man, u know the Wolverines. Whoever gets this gig is set up for greatness. Harbaugh can win 8 games a yr there, asleep.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 12:53 pm to Smalls
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Harbaugh's a good coach, but his chance of success at Michigan (averaging 10+ wins a year) is less than 50/50.
It depends on what you mean by success.
He'd have more success than they've had recently. But, I agree that it's no foregone conclusion that they rise to the top of the Big10. In fact, I don't think that will happen.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:05 pm to Smalls
100%: Because he's not going to Michigan
Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:11 pm to Smalls
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Chances Harbaugh fails at Michigan?
Assuming he takes the job.
Slim to none. Don't be ridiculous.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 2:42 pm to Smalls
Why do people act as if he'll pull top classes at the snap of the finger? He had one top 25 class at Stanford.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 8:20 pm to Smalls
Only 1 or 2 guarantees in the coaching profession. He ain't one of em. I put it at 50/50.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:56 am to Smalls
He'll be the Les Miles to Urban, the Saban of the Big 10.
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