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Question for supporters of the death penalty
Posted on 12/19/14 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 12/19/14 at 6:54 pm
Non-supporters chime in as well, although it's likely a moot point, since you oppose the death penalty in all cases I assume.
Here's the question: Would you support the death penalty for crimes like the one Bernie Madoff perpetuated for 2 decades?
I just finished reading No One Would Listen, and what that a-hole did, and how many lives he absolutely destroyed is almost unimaginable. Reading testimony from some of his victims is absolutely heartbreaking. Not to mention, the suicides he's directly responsible for.
Here's the question: Would you support the death penalty for crimes like the one Bernie Madoff perpetuated for 2 decades?
I just finished reading No One Would Listen, and what that a-hole did, and how many lives he absolutely destroyed is almost unimaginable. Reading testimony from some of his victims is absolutely heartbreaking. Not to mention, the suicides he's directly responsible for.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 6:59 pm to ZZTIGERS
No.
The only acts by a human that I consider worthy of the death penalty are premeditated murder and child rape.
The death penalty is for acts that are so unconscionable that it is beyond the justice system to punish adequately short of ending the life of one that commits them.
The only acts by a human that I consider worthy of the death penalty are premeditated murder and child rape.
The death penalty is for acts that are so unconscionable that it is beyond the justice system to punish adequately short of ending the life of one that commits them.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 7:01 pm to ZZTIGERS
quote:Government sanctioned? No.
Here's the question: Would you support the death penalty for crimes like the one Bernie Madoff perpetuated for 2 decades?
A victim of his taking it upon his or herself to put him down? Yes.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 7:02 pm to Scoop
quote:
No.
The only acts by a human that I consider worthy of the death penalty are premeditated murder and child rape.
The death penalty is for acts that are so unconscionable that it is beyond the justice system to punish adequately short of ending the life of one that commits them.
Pretty much my thoughts.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 7:05 pm to ZZTIGERS
quote:
Non-supporters chime in as well, although it's likely a moot point, since you oppose the death penalty in all cases I assume.
Here's the question: Would you support the death penalty for crimes like the one Bernie Madoff perpetuated for 2 decades?
I just finished reading No One Would Listen, and what that a-hole did, and how many lives he absolutely destroyed is almost unimaginable. Reading testimony from some of his victims is absolutely heartbreaking. Not to mention, the suicides he's directly responsible for.
No. Madoff's fraud was without question of great moral turpitude, but I can not support the idea of the state exacting blood for money under ordinary circumstances. He'll die in federal custody and is already paying a pretty steep price. He couldn't even attend the funerals of his only two sons. His family should have absolutely been left insolvent (they weren't) but unless he was directly responsible for someone's death, I would'n't support his execution.
ETA: And by definition, only one person is "directly responsible" for a suicide. You could melt everything I own down to shite and I ain't checking myself out. There's always something else to do.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 12/19/14 at 7:10 pm to ZZTIGERS
No. Essentially he stole money from a lot of people. As bad as it was, he didn't take anyone's life. He will die in jail.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 7:16 pm to FooManChoo
His son killing himself is not punishment enough for that pos.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 7:17 pm to ZZTIGERS
quote:
Would you support the death penalty for crimes like the one Bernie Madoff perpetuated for 2 decades?
No.
His crimes do not fit the death penalty.
The death penalty is the ultimate punishment and you have to commit the ultimate crime to be eligible for it.
The ultimate crime is premeditated murder in cold blood. If you take a life that was not in self defense and actually planned ahead for it, you deserve to die at the hands of the state as soon as possible.
Now, I would have no problem with a victim of his getting revenge on him or being shanked in prison by another inmate.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 7:17 pm to ZZTIGERS
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This post was edited on 1/14/16 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 12/19/14 at 7:59 pm to Scruffy
quote:
A victim of his taking it upon his or herself to put him down?
I would be against the DP for that person.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:15 pm to ZZTIGERS
quote:Not a chance.
Would you support the death penalty for crimes like the one Bernie Madoff perpetuated for 2 decades?
quote:Indeed.
I just finished reading No One Would Listen, and what that a-hole did, and how many lives he absolutely destroyed is almost unimaginable.
However, lest your heart break too much for the "victims", you should know most were far from being pure and innocent themselves. Madoff's was a Jewish Fund. Others were fairly unwelcome. The fund's exclusion of gentile involvement made his program more attractive to Jewish investors, not less. That speaks for itself.
Further, while many life savings were lost, the quantitation of loss was not often stated as the amount invested, but rather the total amount investors thought they had accrued.
Never will forget a lady crying in front of cameras saying she'd "invested $3.5Million with Madoff, and had lost it all."
Translation?
She invested $250K with Madoff in 1989. She thought it's value was escalating at >13%/yr. So after 20 yrs, she thought she had >$3M invested. She never had anything close to that.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:20 pm to NC_Tigah
I don't understand how being Jewish doesn't make them "victims" a lot of fund management is not public. How does their ethnicity have anything to do with the theft?
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:22 pm to mahdragonz
It should be known that the investors were getting statements so they weren't imagining their assets increasing.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:43 pm to ZZTIGERS
No. Why:
1) Life
2) Property
1) Life
2) Property
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:47 pm to mahdragonz
quote:
I don't understand how being Jewish doesn't make them "victims" a lot of fund management is not public. How does their ethnicity have anything to do with the theft?
They touched on that in the book. What Madoff was doing(other than the whole Ponzi Scheme), was an Affinity Scam. Madoff was Jewish, and preyed on the Jewish community. Although not exclusively ripping off Jews, they thought, "hey, our Jewish friend here wouldn't screw another member of the group". It doesn't make them any less victims though.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:54 pm to Scoop
quote:
The only acts by a human that I consider worthy of the death penalty are premeditated murder and child rape.
quote:
The death penalty is for acts that are so unconscionable that it is beyond the justice system to punish adequately short of ending the life of one that commits them.
I agree with all of this. But in cases of crimes against children I think death is letting them off easy. In these cases the guilty should be given to the family to do with what they wish. Maybe turning them loose in general population after they are told they can do what they want to them. I definitely support torture for anyone that molest a kid.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:54 pm to ZZTIGERS
quote:
Madoff was Jewish, and preyed on the Jewish community.
I disagree. This bias is not useful. He preyed on those that would let him. The Jewish variable just made it easier to forward his motive.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:56 pm to Five0
I'll be Devil's advocate here. What is the logical basis for limiting the DP merely to murder?
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 8:58 pm
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