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re: Thoughts on The Hobbit: The Battle of 5 Armies (Spoilers)
Posted on 12/21/14 at 10:14 pm to LeonPhelps
Posted on 12/21/14 at 10:14 pm to LeonPhelps
quote:Actually he tells Eowyn that he's 87 in the movie.
He is 87 in the books. In the extended edition of the Two Towers, he actually tells Eowyn he is 90. In my youth it bothered me. Now I don't care and just go with the round number.
This post was edited on 12/21/14 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 12/21/14 at 10:21 pm to Who Me
I think my memory is wrong. I don't know where I got 90 from. Maybe I just rounded in my head and then assumed the movie did.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 10:35 pm to LeonPhelps
quote:
Good advice regarding gold. I would think there would be a dip, but how connected are these disparate economies really?
Like a country music station, the hits keep on rolling... disparate.
Seriously though, have not seen the movie. I thought the plan was to make it in two, and the 3rd was a bridge between Hobbit and LOTR. Viggo dropped off, so this is what we get. Trolls with trebuchets/catapults, on their backs, made it too much like Star Wars bad.
Also, I saw someone fall at work from 5 feet, his face looked like something out of the Walking Dead, and missed work for 18 months. Folks in the Hobbit fall 100's if not 1000's of feet.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 10:41 pm to LeonPhelps
But that conversation between Legolas and his father was still forced/lame and added for no reason since Legolas evidently doesn't take his father's advice since he doesn't meet "Strider" for another 60 years when his father sends him to the Council of Elrond to discuss what to do with the ring.
This post was edited on 12/21/14 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:15 pm to Bamatab
I actually love that seen with his dad at the end. Aragorn is badass and I liked the foreshadowing. It also made the Council of Elrond more interesting, which I watched as soon as I got home from watching the Hobbit. Legolas clearly knew Aragorn by then and appeared old friends with him, even defending him to Boromir.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:27 pm to LeonPhelps
There are definitely some changes that i like about the series:
1. The quest is to simply steal the Arkenstone. In the book, it was unclear as to the true motive other than get the treasure.
2. They fleshed out the happenings at Dol Guldur. The book alludes to events, but doesn't get into detail.
3. The elf king sending Legolas out to find Aragon completes the circle on that story.
They drilled some key scenes: Bilbo and Golem in the cave and Bilbo and Smaug. The blew some other scenes: escape from the goblin caves, the escape from the woodland elves, and the battle of five armies was bad. They royally fricked up Beorn. Not sure why they even had him in the film.
1. The quest is to simply steal the Arkenstone. In the book, it was unclear as to the true motive other than get the treasure.
2. They fleshed out the happenings at Dol Guldur. The book alludes to events, but doesn't get into detail.
3. The elf king sending Legolas out to find Aragon completes the circle on that story.
They drilled some key scenes: Bilbo and Golem in the cave and Bilbo and Smaug. The blew some other scenes: escape from the goblin caves, the escape from the woodland elves, and the battle of five armies was bad. They royally fricked up Beorn. Not sure why they even had him in the film.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:55 pm to abellsujr
I'm pretty sure they did but I could be wrong.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:56 pm to VaBamaMan
quote:
Do you know what unusual means? As I have said once, if it happens 49% percent of the time, it is unusual. 10% of the time definitely fits into the category.
That's an interesting definition of unusual you made up for yourself there.
Hope you'll firgive me if I don't abide by it though.
I dont want to sit in a casino and remark "how unusual!" for every single event.
Just because something doesn't occur the majority of the time doesn't make it uncommon or remarkable.
This post was edited on 12/21/14 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 12/22/14 at 12:03 am to Volvagia
quote:
Just because something doesn't occur the majority of the time doesn't make it uncommon
Posted on 12/22/14 at 12:06 am to Aubie Spr96
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3. The elf king sending Legolas out to find Aragon completes the circle on that story.
Not really that big of a change. In the book, Aragorn captures Gollum leaving Mordor and takes him to the wood elves who are supposed to hold him prisoner. Gollum escapes and Legolas is sent to tell Aragorn/Gandalf, that is the reason that Legolas is at the Council of Elrond.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 12:09 am to MexicanBurtReynolds
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Trolls with trebuchets/catapults, on their backs, made it too much like Star Wars bad.
Really, this bothers you? I think giant fighting trolls are cool. Having catapults strapped to their backs is fine
Posted on 12/22/14 at 5:10 am to athenslife101
It was ok
Me and the gf were expecting a little bit more.
It was nice to see how the dwarf army actually fights
and as per usual orcs can't fight for shite
Me and the gf were expecting a little bit more.
It was nice to see how the dwarf army actually fights
and as per usual orcs can't fight for shite
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:09 am to StraightCashHomey21
Saw this on Saturday, and I thought it was pretty awesome.
Sure, there were some parts that were cringe-worthy, but in a trilogy full of those parts, it didn't bother me as much as in previous installments. And the whole trilogy is much more cartoonish than LotR, so I guess some silliness can and will be present.
Legolas running up the falling stones was not only stupid, but laughably bad. And the Orc leader dude leaping out of the water through the ice was hella strange as well. But whatever.
For reference, I rank LotR as the best/#1 trilogy of all time. I absolutely loved those movies and that whole story. The Hobbit movies, while obviously in the same vein, don't really compare at all for me. They're entertaining enough, and that's about it. But that's coming from someone with literally zero attachment (nostalgic or otherwise) to the source material.
Someone explain something to me though...what were the five armies?
One was the dwarves.
One was the Orcs.
One was the Elves.
One was the humans of that water town destroyed by Smaug (I guess).
Was the last one the dude that arrived late and started dropping bears on everybody? If so, that seems a littel strange to call them an "army."
Anyway, that was sort of confusing to me.
Sure, there were some parts that were cringe-worthy, but in a trilogy full of those parts, it didn't bother me as much as in previous installments. And the whole trilogy is much more cartoonish than LotR, so I guess some silliness can and will be present.
Legolas running up the falling stones was not only stupid, but laughably bad. And the Orc leader dude leaping out of the water through the ice was hella strange as well. But whatever.
For reference, I rank LotR as the best/#1 trilogy of all time. I absolutely loved those movies and that whole story. The Hobbit movies, while obviously in the same vein, don't really compare at all for me. They're entertaining enough, and that's about it. But that's coming from someone with literally zero attachment (nostalgic or otherwise) to the source material.
Someone explain something to me though...what were the five armies?
One was the dwarves.
One was the Orcs.
One was the Elves.
One was the humans of that water town destroyed by Smaug (I guess).
Was the last one the dude that arrived late and started dropping bears on everybody? If so, that seems a littel strange to call them an "army."
Anyway, that was sort of confusing to me.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:14 am to CocomoLSU
quote:
Someone explain something to me though...what were the five armies?
Dwarves
Elves
Humans (Lake Town)
Orcs (Dol Guldur)
Orcs (Angmar)
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:19 am to Supravol22
So there were two Orc armies then...that's what we couldn't figure out (if it was two parts of one army, or two different armies).
So we just never saw much of the second one, which was the one they kept talking about coming in from the north, correct?
And the dude who came flying in with the eagles and dropping bears on everything...that was just sort of reinforcements and not an "army," yes?
So we just never saw much of the second one, which was the one they kept talking about coming in from the north, correct?
And the dude who came flying in with the eagles and dropping bears on everything...that was just sort of reinforcements and not an "army," yes?
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:20 am to CocomoLSU
the book had it a little different
the fifth army was the wargs (the dog things the orcs rode) in the book they were more intelligent more so than just being horses in the movie.
the movie changed that a bit and didnt really make them an real army. thus the assumption is that the eagles are now the 5th army. or maybe you could say the second army of orcs was the 5th army. movie left it kind of up in the air.
the fifth army was the wargs (the dog things the orcs rode) in the book they were more intelligent more so than just being horses in the movie.
the movie changed that a bit and didnt really make them an real army. thus the assumption is that the eagles are now the 5th army. or maybe you could say the second army of orcs was the 5th army. movie left it kind of up in the air.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:20 am to CocomoLSU
1. Humans
2. Elves
3. Dwarves
4. Goblins
5. Wolves
It was less clear if existent at all in the movie that the wolves or wargs are a separate entity entirely from the goblins.
2. Elves
3. Dwarves
4. Goblins
5. Wolves
It was less clear if existent at all in the movie that the wolves or wargs are a separate entity entirely from the goblins.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:24 am to Peazey
So that's three responses, and basically three different answers. Glad I wasn't the only one who was confused by all of that.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 10:33 am to CocomoLSU
Yeah. My list is how it is in the book. The movie makes it confusing, and either of the other two lists would work.
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