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Oil approaching $60

Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:23 am
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:23 am
Posted by TK421
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2011
10420 posts
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:25 am to
Global economics is not my forte, is there a point at which the low price of oil could have a seriously negative impact on our economy? Or would the low price have to be sustained for that to happen?

I travel by car for the holidays, so this is great news for me and may actually impact my holiday spending.

Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14978 posts
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:30 am to
Define "our" economy.

This is generally a good thing for the US as a whole (though I would argue short term swings aren't as good as long-term trends; too much disruption).

But this will be really rough for the state. Decreased exploration efforts combined with decreased state revenue = pain.
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
52362 posts
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:32 am to
Low priced oil is good for our country as a whole. Lots more disposable income being put back into consumer goods.
Posted by AUin02
Member since Jan 2012
4530 posts
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:32 am to
Low price should be a benefit to basically all our economy not associated with O&G.

Lower cost of transportation alone would be a boon for profits. Consumers having more spending money as gas expenses go down is a winning combination with lower transport costs for much of our economy.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
104382 posts
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:33 am to
quote:

But this will be really rough for the state. Decreased exploration efforts combined with decreased state revenue = pain.


This one and several others. Bobby's miniscule presidential hopes just got even smaller, the TX economic miracle will look a lot less miraculous, and tumbleweeds will be blowing through some of those ND boomtowns by this time next year.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:35 am to
Why isn't Big Oil conspiring to keep prices high????
Posted by Road Tiger
SW Landmass
Member since Oct 2014
834 posts
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:36 am to
quote:

tumbleweeds will be blowing through some of those ND boomtowns by this time next year.


I doubt that. All it takes is talk of a war in the Middle East for the price to jump back up and I don't think that the Arabs have been getting along as of lately. Oil will come back up in time.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69337 posts
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:37 am to
Cheap oil is great for a lot of people, but very bad for some people.

Cheap oil makes transportation costs and electricity costs from oil-fired power plants to be reduced. It also reduces the competitiveness of Ethenol in the market place. It drives down the prices of just about everything. It can also be good for Saudi Arabia and the Arab Emerites because while they're profit margin declines with lower prices, their market share greatly increases due to their reserves being much cheaper to produce than North American oil fields or unconventional wells. It can be good for refineries as it means a cheaper raw material for refining.

However, it is bad for:
1. Domestic oil producers as most American reserves are more expensive to produce and noncompetitive when oil falls below a certain threshold. This is bad if you work for a domestic oil & gas exploration company.
2. State and local governments that depend on gasoline tax revenues for funding.
3. Federal and state governments that rely on oil and gas revenues for funding.
Posted by Scoop
RIP Scoop
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:37 am to
This isn't my thing. Any veracity to the things I've heard about this oil crash being orchestrated by OPEC as a move to screw up the economics of fracking in the US?
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
104382 posts
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:38 am to
quote:

I doubt that. All it takes is talk of a war in the Middle East for the price to jump back up and I don't think that the Arabs have been getting along as of lately. Oil will come back up in time.


There's an ongoing war in the Middle East right now and it hasn't kept the price up.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57011 posts
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:39 am to
This is a good thing. Cost for all goods and services should decrease.

However, i did hear rumors that Barry is pushing for a gas tax raise, due to pressure from the green lobby.

The logic is, if gas is expensive, less people will drive, thus better for the planet. Make gas expensive to deter citizens from driving to appease the green lobby.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
104382 posts
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:40 am to
quote:

This isn't my thing. Any veracity to the things I've heard about this oil crash being orchestrated by OPEC as a move to screw up the economics of fracking in the US?


Partly. It also has to do with the Saudis fricking with Iran, Russia, and other OPEC members, partly for economic reasons, partly for political reasons.

ETA: I wouldn't doubt there's been some collaboration with the US and EU over this. It benefits everybody except domestic US oil producers.
This post was edited on 12/10/14 at 11:42 am
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27607 posts
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:40 am to
quote:

Why isn't Big Oil conspiring to keep prices high????



Don't worry, we'll soon get our heads together for a plan to drive up prices again. We have to make sure not to make it too obvious the way we conspire to rape the people and Mother Earth.

Remember, we want dirty air, dirty water and exploitation of the American people.
Posted by lsuroadie
South LA
Member since Oct 2007
8454 posts
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:44 am to
quote:

Don't worry, we'll soon get our heads together for a plan to drive up prices again. We have to make sure not to make it too obvious the way we conspire to rape the people and Mother Earth. Remember, we want dirty air, dirty water and exploitation of the American people.


where is nancy Pelosi and her investigation of the collusion of big oil
Posted by NukemVol
Member since Jan 2010
1693 posts
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:47 am to
This is disconnected from natural gas prices right? So there's still opportunity in North Dakota and elsewhere right?
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
104382 posts
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:47 am to
quote:

Why isn't Big Oil conspiring to keep prices high????


Some trends are too big for even Big Oil to affect.

quote:

Remember, we want dirty air, dirty water and exploitation of the American people.


quote]

It's not that they want it, but a company's sole reason for existence is to make a profit. Whatever it takes.
Posted by Road Tiger
SW Landmass
Member since Oct 2014
834 posts
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:50 am to
quote:

There's an ongoing war in the Middle East right now and it hasn't kept the price up


Syria is not exactly a major player on the global oil market.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:50 am to
I'll always wonder what effect the ramping-down of quantitative easing by the Federal Reserve had on oil prices. I'm no expert, but I've been suspicious.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
100571 posts
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:50 am to
Gas tax won't pass the HOR anyways
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