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Is the lack of new, catchy guitar riffs to blame for the gradual death of rock?
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:10 am
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:10 am
It's seldom that I hear a worthwhile guitar riff anymore these days and I think that has always been one of the most accessible avenues for music listeners.
I understand that there are so many chord combinations and tunings out there, but it seems like the evolution of rock and metal has always been predicated on the progression of guitar riffs, both in complexity and tempo.
Thoughts?
I understand that there are so many chord combinations and tunings out there, but it seems like the evolution of rock and metal has always been predicated on the progression of guitar riffs, both in complexity and tempo.
Thoughts?
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:18 am to saint amant steve
There's plenty of catchy guitar riffs being recorded. Rock isn't going anywhere.
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 9:31 am
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:30 am to saint amant steve
quote:
It's seldom that I hear a worthwhile guitar riff anymore these days
where are you listening?
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:34 am to saint amant steve
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:54 am to saint amant steve
Rock is dead for two reasons:
1. because it doesn't "rock" hard enough for the meatheads to listen to it. Most of it now is indi pop that sounds like 80s underground techno or 70s singer/songwriter folk rock. The meatheads are now listening to older metal, nickelback, or bro country. Most rock these days feels very subdued, rather than raucus and out of control. A great example of what I mean would be comparing a good live Soul Rebels brass band show to a recording of the Preservation Hall Jazz band performing "Dinah". Both are great, but each have different appeals. Rock these days is either recycled garbage, or beautiful, but unexciting Dinah. It rarely makes you feel like a bullet proof badass anymore (Think rolling down the street in a 69 Camero blaring "Hair of the Dog"). Gangsta rap and hip/hop now is the primary musical manufacturer of that feeling for most teens and young adults.
2. because hot white girls can't/won't dance to it. In the bar and entertainment industry, the number one demographic is attractive white women between 18-35. Get them to come and the others will follow. That demographic loves music they can dance to. Rock in the 21st century rarely provides that, red dirt country, pop, and hip/hop does. Bars book bands based on who they can draw. Men go where the women are. Women go where they can dance. Bring in the women and the rest will follow. Rock doesn't bring in the women, country and pop does. Original music is thus stifled and stymied at the local level because it has trouble drawing patrons for bars. Knowing this, major record labels and radio stations play it safe with tried and true, unoffensive music, which isn't original, isn't cool, and surely doesn't "rock".
1. because it doesn't "rock" hard enough for the meatheads to listen to it. Most of it now is indi pop that sounds like 80s underground techno or 70s singer/songwriter folk rock. The meatheads are now listening to older metal, nickelback, or bro country. Most rock these days feels very subdued, rather than raucus and out of control. A great example of what I mean would be comparing a good live Soul Rebels brass band show to a recording of the Preservation Hall Jazz band performing "Dinah". Both are great, but each have different appeals. Rock these days is either recycled garbage, or beautiful, but unexciting Dinah. It rarely makes you feel like a bullet proof badass anymore (Think rolling down the street in a 69 Camero blaring "Hair of the Dog"). Gangsta rap and hip/hop now is the primary musical manufacturer of that feeling for most teens and young adults.
2. because hot white girls can't/won't dance to it. In the bar and entertainment industry, the number one demographic is attractive white women between 18-35. Get them to come and the others will follow. That demographic loves music they can dance to. Rock in the 21st century rarely provides that, red dirt country, pop, and hip/hop does. Bars book bands based on who they can draw. Men go where the women are. Women go where they can dance. Bring in the women and the rest will follow. Rock doesn't bring in the women, country and pop does. Original music is thus stifled and stymied at the local level because it has trouble drawing patrons for bars. Knowing this, major record labels and radio stations play it safe with tried and true, unoffensive music, which isn't original, isn't cool, and surely doesn't "rock".
Posted on 12/5/14 at 10:10 am to saint amant steve
Phantom Limb - Alice In Chains
Withered Delilah
In Due Time - Killswitch
Beyond the Down - BLS
The entire new Sabbath album
Check out "Loner". You'll be tapping your foot. Guitar solo is perfect example of less is more.
I agree with you. Guitar riffage is less accessible now than it ever has been. The blues groove bands of the 70's like Zep, Skynyrd, Allman Bros, Aerosmith, ZZ Top and AC/DC up through the 80's hair metal and shredders were all very mainstream. There are great riffs out there all over the place, it's just not getting played anymore. The "rock" stations dont play rock music and the only way to get hard rock/metal consistently is through satellite radio. Well, someone that would have satellite radio would more than likely know exactly what they like and would be more musically inclined than the average music listener that's getting spoonfed crap everyday. The mainstream people that would have dug mainstream rock bands in the 80's are now getting fed bro country which suprisingly has alot of guitar riffage pushing into the pop-rock genre with hee-haw chickenshit lyrics.
Withered Delilah
In Due Time - Killswitch
Beyond the Down - BLS
The entire new Sabbath album
Check out "Loner". You'll be tapping your foot. Guitar solo is perfect example of less is more.
I agree with you. Guitar riffage is less accessible now than it ever has been. The blues groove bands of the 70's like Zep, Skynyrd, Allman Bros, Aerosmith, ZZ Top and AC/DC up through the 80's hair metal and shredders were all very mainstream. There are great riffs out there all over the place, it's just not getting played anymore. The "rock" stations dont play rock music and the only way to get hard rock/metal consistently is through satellite radio. Well, someone that would have satellite radio would more than likely know exactly what they like and would be more musically inclined than the average music listener that's getting spoonfed crap everyday. The mainstream people that would have dug mainstream rock bands in the 80's are now getting fed bro country which suprisingly has alot of guitar riffage pushing into the pop-rock genre with hee-haw chickenshit lyrics.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:15 pm to saint amant steve
Mainstream rock is disappearing for the same reason a lot of other music has gone to crap. Producers are chasing the money, 16-20 year old females who like sugary pop and hip hop. That's where the money is.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 6:10 pm to saint amant steve
quote:
It's seldom that I hear a worthwhile guitar riff
Wo Fat, Orange Goblin, Lo Pan, Truckfighters, The Atomic Bitchwax, Fu Manchu, Spiritual Beggars, Vista Chino, Texas Hippie Coalition, Weedpecker, Sasquatch, Monster Magnet, Kadaver, & Cluch all say "Hey There, Big Fella".....and that's just a smattering of all the current great 'riff rock' out there to be heard.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 8:57 pm to saint amant steve
there's no good rock music anymore it's all justin beaver and lil gayne
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:22 pm to saint amant steve
quote:
It's seldom that I hear a worthwhile guitar riff anymore
Black Keys
Muse
Jack White
Modest Mouse
QOTSA
Avenged Sevenfold
have all put out fantastic guitar riffs in the past couple years
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 12/6/14 at 6:03 pm to saint amant steve
quote:
Burn the Serum'
Kyng
Kyng are quickly becoming one of the most solid rock acts around and 'Burn the Serum' is proving to be a key album in their development. The riff-heavy 'Electric Halo' is capturing the ears of listeners as the lead single, but the album also connects with such standouts as 'Faraway,' 'Self Medicated Man' and the thrashy 'Big Ugly Me.' Meanwhile, 'Paper Heart Rose' is the type of album closer that leaves listeners wanting for more.
OP what you think?
Posted on 12/8/14 at 10:14 pm to saint amant steve
rock isn't dead, nor will it be. however, it's become a smaller helping on the average person's plate. more than ever, there are so many entertainment options to choose from. yet, music execs still seem baffled that people are apathetic about paying $10-15 for a digital download, despite the physical product having cost that same amount for years....until the biz comes up with a better business model for the here & now, it's no wonder people are spreading their money around on other things.
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