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Police Use of Force for Misdemeanors
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:01 am
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:01 am
Would you be for or against police departments nationwide adopting a policy of prohibiting police officers from using force for misdemeanor arrests and limiting force to only felony arrests?
I read about these controversial police encounters which often have the entire reason for the encounter based off of a misdemeanor violation which many seem to take issue with the level of force used since it was only a misdemeanor.
What kind of law enforcement policy or law does the board suggest to combat what many here have indicated in a variety of terms as overly aggressive police behavior?
I read about these controversial police encounters which often have the entire reason for the encounter based off of a misdemeanor violation which many seem to take issue with the level of force used since it was only a misdemeanor.
What kind of law enforcement policy or law does the board suggest to combat what many here have indicated in a variety of terms as overly aggressive police behavior?
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Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:02 am to Who Me
What about resisters? STFU.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:03 am to Who Me
So what happens when someone resist arrest or becomes combative when being questioned or arrested for a misdemeanor?
What to do when mr. policeman pulls over a thug in N.O. for speeding or running a redlight running, etc. Turns out the guy has been arrested 27 times before and wants to play tough guy and fight?
I def. agree the whole policy on aggresive police actions needs to be looked at in different ways btw.
What to do when mr. policeman pulls over a thug in N.O. for speeding or running a redlight running, etc. Turns out the guy has been arrested 27 times before and wants to play tough guy and fight?
I def. agree the whole policy on aggresive police actions needs to be looked at in different ways btw.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:04 am to baybeefeetz
I mean, this is absurd, but perhaps that is your point. Say a guy is on probation for a serious crime and is afraid he is going back to jail. So he tries to get away. No force? frick all that.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:04 am to Who Me
That's great until that misdemeanor stop turns into the suspect trying to disarm the cop and assault him. Then you're going to get killed, justifiably.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:09 am to baybeefeetz
I certainly understand the arguments against such a policy or law and I am not advocating that such a thing should be adopted
All to often though I see comments where people are infuriated because the "insert controversial incident" started over a misdemeanor or petty crime. Such as if to suggest that since it was a lesser crime the officer should not have had to use so much force. Silly I know.
All to often though I see comments where people are infuriated because the "insert controversial incident" started over a misdemeanor or petty crime. Such as if to suggest that since it was a lesser crime the officer should not have had to use so much force. Silly I know.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:15 am to Who Me
quote:So all a person has to do is resist arrest and he walks away?
prohibiting police officers from using force for misdemeanor arrests
No thanks.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:18 am to Who Me
quote:Chris Rock was correct when he said if you resist a policeman the cop is going to bring an arse-whipping with him.
I see comments where people are infuriated because the "insert controversial incident" started over a misdemeanor or petty crime.
ETA: How Not To Get Your arse Kicked By The Police
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 9:21 am
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:36 am to LSURussian
LSURussian - does the article you linked to in the glacial melt thread talk about the Antarctic ice sheet - or the Antarctic sea ice?
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 9:37 am
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:53 am to Who Me
quote:
All to often though I see comments where people are infuriated because the "insert controversial incident" started over a misdemeanor or petty crime. Such as if to suggest that since it was a lesser crime the officer should not have had to use so much force. Silly I know.
The use of force should be proportional to the resistance and take into account the offense in question.
How many laws does the average person break in a day?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:54 am to Who Me
quote:
Would you be for or against police departments nationwide adopting a policy of prohibiting police officers from using force for misdemeanor arrests and limiting force to only felony arrests?
and if the person they are arresting doesn't want to go willingly, how do they do it? or do we just not arrest people for misdemeanors now?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:03 am to the808bass
I honestly don't know, how many misdemeanors are arrestable offenses anyway?
Was the guy in New York being arrested for a misdemeanor? I get that impression, but I don't want to make that assumption.
Agree. And Eric Gardner did not look like he was resisting enough to warrant the force used.
No, that is dumb. So we can beat the hell out of rapists even if they don't resist arrest, but petty thieves are get kid gloves?.
Think about how what you are advocating would work.
How would you train for that? Multiple arrest methodologies based on crime-level?
Was the guy in New York being arrested for a misdemeanor? I get that impression, but I don't want to make that assumption.
quote:
The use of force should be proportional to the resistance
Agree. And Eric Gardner did not look like he was resisting enough to warrant the force used.
quote:
and take into account the offense in question.
No, that is dumb. So we can beat the hell out of rapists even if they don't resist arrest, but petty thieves are get kid gloves?.
Think about how what you are advocating would work.
How would you train for that? Multiple arrest methodologies based on crime-level?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:06 am to BigJim
All I'm trying to point out is that all of us are criminals in the eyes of the law. We break the law, on average, 3 times a day. Should every person in the US be subject to the sort of arrest effected on Eric Garner?
We need major judicial reform and police reform.
Eta: Should a police pursuit of a kidnapper be conducted the same way the police pursuit of a obscured license plate is conducted?
We need major judicial reform and police reform.
Eta: Should a police pursuit of a kidnapper be conducted the same way the police pursuit of a obscured license plate is conducted?
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 10:08 am
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:07 am to the808bass
We also clearly need better public education and, dare I say it, a fuxking attitude adjustment.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:09 am to baybeefeetz
I agree we need an attitude adjustment. And that needs to happen on both sides.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:10 am to Who Me
The officer feels threatened. Rules don't apply.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:11 am to Who Me
quote:
Would you be for or against police departments nationwide adopting a policy of prohibiting police officers from using force for misdemeanor arrests and limiting force to only felony arrests?
Of course not.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:12 am to the808bass
I agree. We are somewhat alone.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 11:18 am to Who Me
quote:
Would you be for or against police departments nationwide adopting a policy of prohibiting police officers from using force for misdemeanor arrests and limiting force to only felony arrests?
In the case of Garner, why was he being arrested in the first place?
A family lawyer, Jonathan Moore, said that Garner should have gotten at most a summons to appear in court for allegedly selling untaxed cigarettes
Maybe we need to reconsider what actions require that free citizens be placed under arrest by law enforcement. We have more people incarcerated than any other country in the civilized world, and we consider ourselves the 'land of the free'?
Not just has law enforcement gotten out of control, but simply the preponderance of laws trying to control a free society has gotten out of control.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 11:20 am to Who Me
Then the law will change to make things like DUI and Simple and Domestic Assault into Felonies.
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