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re: JJ Watt mic'd up against the Titans - UPDATE: intriguing steroid debate
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:50 pm to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:50 pm to PrimeTime Money
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That would make sense except for the fact that he's better than everybody.
SEC players, #1 draft picks, All-Americans, veterans, etc, many of whom take steroids themselves.
So even if he did take steroids, that wouldn't make him jump past all of those players magically.
not even sure what you're trying to say
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Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:52 pm to tunechi
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Sabi you still the man. The P90X3 thread motivated me a lotta days when I didn't feel like doing shite
Thanks brah!
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:00 pm to Lester Earl
quote:I'll break it down for you so that even you can understand it.
not even sure what you're trying to say
You said:
quote:You are saying he wasn't born a freak, correct? You said he was just a walk-on at Wisconsin. Well, those guys who played in the SEC who were highly-touted college players who were drafted very high ARE natural freaks. PLUS, many of them are on steroids.
You dont blossom from a Central Michigan type recruit to a walk on at Wisc into the freakiest defensive player in the NFL. You're either born a freak, or you use enhancers to get there.
If JJ Watt didn't have natural ability, he can't just take steroids and pass up those who are natural freaks AND take steroids to become the best in the NFL.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:05 pm to PrimeTime Money
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If JJ Watt didn't have natural ability,
I never said he didnt have natural ability.
just that he has unnatural strength and speed for a guy his size.
It's more than just being a late bloomer.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:08 pm to Lester Earl
You said that you are either born a freak or use enhancers to get there, and you also said you know which side JJ Watt is on.
My point is why are those who are born freaks AND use enhancers not better or more freakish of an athlete than JJ Watt?
My point is why are those who are born freaks AND use enhancers not better or more freakish of an athlete than JJ Watt?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:09 pm to PrimeTime Money
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If JJ Watt didn't have natural ability, he can't just take steroids and pass up those who are natural freaks AND take steroids to become the best in the NFL
I don't know if you can say this for certain. Also, what does that have to do with anything?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:11 pm to PrimeTime Money
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My point is why are those who are born freaks AND use enhancers not better or more freakish of an athlete than JJ Watt?
I'm not trying to get into a stupid argument like this. Way too broad.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:17 pm to Lester Earl
quote:1. You posted knowing full-well somebody was going to call you out on the dumb statement.
I'm not trying to get into a stupid argument like this. Way too broad.
2. It's not broad at all. You just can't answer it logically.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:27 pm to PrimeTime Money
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2. It's not broad at all. You just can't answer it logically.
How is it not broad? You want to compare him to faceless players. The whole NFL. Players that may or may not be on steroids.
How do you expect me to answer that question? It's a dumb fricking question.
maybe there are other players on steroids to where he is just simply the best player on steroids
maybe there are guys who arent on steroids who could be just as good, but aren't, because they dont use.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:32 pm to Lester Earl
Lester, he kinda has you here. You are way over valuing steroids. According to you, steroids turns a person from a walk on to the best defensive player in the NFL.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:38 pm to lsupride87
I have to agree with Lester. First, we're comparing Watt to who he was, not against the rest of the NFL.
Second, I don't think anyone here can say for certain that a freak on steroids would be more freakish than a nonfreak who took steroids. There are way too many other variables involved: metabolism, training, etc.
What we can say for certain is that Watt is more than likely on enhancers that are banned by the league. His development is not natural, not in comparison to his original state.
Second, I don't think anyone here can say for certain that a freak on steroids would be more freakish than a nonfreak who took steroids. There are way too many other variables involved: metabolism, training, etc.
What we can say for certain is that Watt is more than likely on enhancers that are banned by the league. His development is not natural, not in comparison to his original state.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:40 pm to lsupride87
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According to you, steroids turns a person from a walk on to the best defensive player in the NFL.
It's not quite that exact.
But basically if you want to paint a broad picture, yea.
You seem to be underestimating the power of enhancers. Just look at what has happened to baseball.
I mean they turned 20 HR hitters into 60 HR hitters. Is that not extreme to you?
It doesn't mean those guys weren't talented to begin with. Just like I'm not saying Watt wasn't some talentless assclown. But my god it's hard to ignore what he has become, compared to what he was just 3-4 years ago.
This guy had 11 sacks in 2 years at Wisc. Now he's running over every Left Tackle in the NFL..
My eyes dont believe it. Baseball has taught me a lesson. Trust my eyes
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:45 pm to Lester Earl
Technically he runs over every olineman...
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:47 pm to Lester Earl
So now steroids give you fast switch movements?? 
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:49 pm to SabiDojo
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Just for fun, I'd like to see him get a surprise drug test.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:06 pm to LooseCannon22282
Performance enhanced, but that doesn't take away from the epic 2 minute sequence of strip and recovery + receiving TD. It's like the dude never took a breath in between
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:30 pm to SabiDojo
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Just for fun, I'd like to see him get a surprise drug test.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:31 pm to SabiDojo
quote:The Wind That Shakes the Barley.
If you're a Cillian Murphy fan
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:32 pm to SirWinston
quote:Why did you click on the thread?
I'm so suck of this fricking dude.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:34 pm to Lester Earl
quote:The thing is, there are a shitload of NFL players on HGH, etc. Yet he is still heads and shoulders the best defensive player in the NFL.
He's likable but there is no way in hell he is clean.
You dont blossom from a Central Michigan type recruit to a walk on at Wisc into the freakiest defensive player in the NFL. You're either born a freak, or you use enhancers to get there. It's obvious what side he falls on.
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