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Posted on 12/1/14 at 11:33 pm to JJ27
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TCU's entire DLine is from WM. LSU offered none. Seems that they missed on their evaluations.
totally agree with you... i was especially pissed that Chucky Hunter ends up there instead of here, but whatever....
i'm just saying the "setting up shop" thing makes it seem like LSU was beat by TCU for recruits, when essentially LSU sorta let TCU have them.... IMO, that's something i can live with, even if those recruits turn out to have great college careers.... i hate that me didn't evaluate properly, but that happens at every program...
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:34 am to Buga_Scores
The kid will be a Tiger, its coming.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:48 am to Impotent Waffle
GOOD.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:55 am to Impotent Waffle
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:15 am to JJ27
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How about TCU? Surely LSU has a bigger budget than TCU. Doesn't stop them from setting up shop in WM.
Either you worded this wrong or you're reaching big time
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:31 am to RATeamWannabe
Just get ready to cue the 
Posted on 12/2/14 at 12:04 pm to JJ27
quote:So you're saying that LSU never had a chance because LSU could not offer what Bama was offering? Gotcha.
Kid started from day 1 at LT, is in the SECCG, and will likely be in the first ever playoffs. How can you possibly say he made the wrong choice?
Posted on 12/2/14 at 12:35 pm to Salviati
Bama got HS coaches on payroll to move them to their camps from N La.
I know 2 coaches in charge of busing the recruits to Bama. There, I said it and now yall know. Bama isn't just working that area either.
I know 2 coaches in charge of busing the recruits to Bama. There, I said it and now yall know. Bama isn't just working that area either.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 12:37 pm to JJ27
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TCU's entire DLine is from WM.
Is this true? I know about Hunter but didn't realize that.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 12:51 pm to lakelanier
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His quotes, I read them all, do not sound overly enthusiastic toward us. We may have had a hiccup initially but we have been giving this young man and his parents the full court press for a long time. If he doesn't come, it won't be because we did something wrong, it will be because his heart is somewhere else
If you are late to the game, it gives the recruit time to fall in love with a place that may not have been his first choice.
Why do you think we offered D Moses so early?
It is a fireable offense IMO if this recruit wasn't contacted before Grimes was here. I'm sorry, I just don't think Les has control over his staff like we would like to think.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 1:02 pm to GeeOH
I think the staff works hard, but I do think they have more of a country club feel, as opposed to a tight ship.
This is a different thread, but the way Les hires coaches (good assts, washed out HCs, etc) would breed complacency. He doesn't like getting the young up and coming coaches cause they will be gone quickly. In his search for continuity, he is bringing complacency.
This Stud mention, and others, have shown signs of this coming.
This is a different thread, but the way Les hires coaches (good assts, washed out HCs, etc) would breed complacency. He doesn't like getting the young up and coming coaches cause they will be gone quickly. In his search for continuity, he is bringing complacency.
This Stud mention, and others, have shown signs of this coming.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 1:09 pm to JJ27
quote:Your statement that playing for TCU means that LSU missed on evaluations is absurd.
TCU's entire DLine is from WM. LSU offered none. Seems that they missed on their evaluations.
(1) TCU is NOT a Defensive Force
TCU is ranked so high right now because of TCU's 8th ranked passing offense and NOT their 95th ranked passing defense.
(2) Only FIVE Schools Made Offers to Each of Them
Schools were hardly beating a path to WM's door for these guys. Each of them got FIVE total offers and only TWO from SEC schools.
Hunter (SR) - 2 SEC offers (Ole Miss and Miss State); and 3 others (La Tech, Baylor, and TCU).
Lathan (JR) - 2 SEC offers (Arkansas and Miss State); and 3 others (La Tech, Memphis, and TCU).
McFarland (JR) - 2 SEC offers (Arkansas and Miss State); and 3 others (La Tech, Oklahoma, and TCU).
(3) Even TCU Did Not Evaluate Lathan (JR) and McFarland (JR) Highly This Year
Are all three actually starting right now? Your post implies it; I'm sure WM would like to claim it; however, I don't watch enought TCU football to know it. Although Lathan and McFarland are getting some playing time, neither of them were projected to be starters. Rivals OurLads They were beaten out by guys their own year or younger. So even at TCU, they don't appear to be the top frogs.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 1:23 pm to ehidal1
quote:I don't completely disagree with you. But there are other examples that say the opposite. Cam for example, just happening to be not only on the same flight but the seat next to Chi Dupre when he was flying out to the UCLA visit. That takes some work, initiative, and inventiveness (not to mention "market intelligence"). While you can't extrapolate Stud's laziness/complacency to all more-experienced coaches, neither can I extrapolate what is actually a very active recuriting trail for Cam to those very same coaches. Has to be taken on a case by case basis.
I think the staff works hard, but I do think they have more of a country club feel, as opposed to a tight ship.
This is a different thread, but the way Les hires coaches (good assts, washed out HCs, etc) would breed complacency. He doesn't like getting the young up and coming coaches cause they will be gone quickly. In his search for continuity, he is bringing complacency.
This Stud mention, and others, have shown signs of this coming.
For the record JJ27, myself, and others were talking about Stud's lack of effort before CamRob (I was only a lurker up to that recruiting cycle). If you hear from the NELA boys it was pretty obvious. Unfortunately at the same time Bama (and the MS schools) were working the area hard. Bama had Burton Burns and many "quality control assistants" hitting WM, Neville, etc... hell even OCS.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 1:29 pm to I20goon
we knew this was coming all the way back to the Rueben randle recruitment. LSU just failed/refused to rectify the situation.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 1:33 pm to GeeOH
I can understand your thoughts about the lack of control. I think this kid really values academics and the Notre Dame reputation is something we may have trouble overcoming.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 2:11 pm to I20goon
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Bama had Burton Burns and many "quality control assistants" hitting WM, Neville, etc... hell even OCS.
Well, with our compliance staff, that's something we're never going to be able to overcome. Because it's against the rules.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 2:26 pm to nicholastiger
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Shouldn't Miles have stepped in and recruited himself rather than relying on fall guy Stud!
It ultimately is Miles fault. But the HC has more restrictions on contacts than an assistant does. It isnt an excuse, but lines up with stud being butt hurt he got demoted.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 2:31 pm to GeeOH
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It is a fireable offense IMO if this recruit wasn't contacted before Grimes was here. I'm sorry, I just don't think Les has control over his staff like we would like to think.
You may be on to something, but the track record over 10 years kind of speaks for itself. Recruits and coaches lie. It is part of the game. Also we teetered on the lines with ncaa and honestly think we have slacked a bit because they have been watching. And it is a complete joke because the NCAA is not consistent with this across the whole CFB landscape.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 3:20 pm to chRxis
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i was especially pissed that Chucky Hunter ends up there instead of here, but whatever....
That was a big deal here in WM when that happened. Instead of taking a WM kid that was a FOOTBALL player and coaching him, they went for the strong kid that could bench press a Volkswagon. Even though Shows/WM was pissed that Hunter didn't get the LSU offer, he didn't hold a grudge. Shows was always all LSU.
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"setting up shop" thing makes it seem like LSU was beat by TCU for recruits, when essentially LSU sorta let TCU have them....
What he is saying is that LSU essentially had their own office in the Don Shows Field House at WM. 4-5 years ago, someone at LSU decided that North LA was no longer as important as in the past and let their stronghold go. TCU, BAMA, Ms State, etc. all took over and set up their own shop. And to be fair, TCU took them from other SEC schools, not just LSU.
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i hate that me didn't evaluate properly, but that happens at every program...
While I agree with this, that's not what happened here. LSU has all but quit recruiting NLA.
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