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The annual Die Hard is not a Christmas movie thread
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:07 am
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:07 am
Christmas is not a major theme of the film; it is simply a motif. Christmas could be replaced by other holidays or events, and the central idea of the film would stay the same.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:11 am to lsufan9193969700
Oh, and if you disagree, you would be wrong...
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:12 am to lsufan9193969700
This scene is not replaceable:
Die Hard is a Christmas movie. It's the reason he's there, it's a theme between him and Carl Winslow, it's a theme of the movie and it is not interchangeable.
Die Hard is a Christmas movie. It's the reason he's there, it's a theme between him and Carl Winslow, it's a theme of the movie and it is not interchangeable.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:13 am to lsufan9193969700
I agree. A movie taking place at a certain time doesn't necessarily make it a "______ movie".
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:14 am to lsufan9193969700
If a movie's soundtrack contains "Christmas in Hollis" by RUN DMC, it is by default a Christmas movie.
I don't make the rules, I'm just the messenger.
I don't make the rules, I'm just the messenger.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:14 am to lsufan9193969700
It might be my favorite Christmas movie. That, or Home Alone.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:14 am to lsufan9193969700
Agreed. Definitely not a Christmas movie. It's an action terrorism movie.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:16 am to lsufan9193969700
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Christmas is not a major theme of the film; it is simply a motif.
Right - a reason for McClane to be in from out of town and a few Christmas props. Plus, the office Christmas party is a reason for everyone to be in the building after hours. Obviously, Hans' intel that the party would afford him the opportunity to take hostages is related to this as well. But any gathering, celebration would have sufficed.
But, neither Christian observances/traditions/themes nor Santa Claus involvement played any significant role in the plot of the film.
While it may be appropriate for Christmas watching, precisely because of the setting, it is not a Christmas film in the same way that Miracle on 34th Street, The Santa Clause, Scrooged, are.
Now - start a thread on why Home Alone isn't a Christmas movie... (MUCH bigger argument there - )
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 9:19 am
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:19 am to Breesus
The whole point of the "Christmas party" is that is where Bruce plans to reconcile with his ex-wife. Does that make the film a romance? No! The party could have been a Thanksgiving party, a birthday party, a New Years Eve party....he kills bad guys who want to kill people and blow stuff up, not steal Christmas trees and Cindy Lou's Christmas feast!
Sorry, Die Hard IS NOT a Christmas movie.
Sorry, Die Hard IS NOT a Christmas movie.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:22 am to Ace Midnight
Yep... with that said is "It's a wonderful Life" not a Christmas movie? For some reason I can only watch that movie at christmas time but it really isn't about christmas. It's more of a biopic told by an angel... Die Hard I can watch on 4th of July and still enjoy the hell out of it.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:26 am to Zephyrius
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with that said is "It's a wonderful Life" not a Christmas movie? For some reason I can only watch that movie at christmas time but it really isn't about christmas. It's more of a biopic told by an angel.
Angel (supernatural involvement) coupled with the setting on Christmas Eve - in effect, it is a reverse Scrooge parable - Scrooge sees what his life was, is and will be if he doesn't change, while George Bailey sees what others' lives had been if he wasn't there.
I say Christmas, primarily because of supernatural, implicitly Christian in nature, involvement.
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 9:27 am
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:30 am to lsufan9193969700
While I'll agree here that it is not truly a christmas movie, it's true value lies in the fact that when you call it a christmas movie it annoys the living shite out of women.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:36 am to lsufan9193969700
I call it a Christmas movie for purely trollish reasons. Fun to see people get their jimmies rustled.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:44 am to LordoftheManor
My jimmy is fine...
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:46 am to lsufan9193969700
It IS a Christmas allegory.
Bruce Willis represents Santa in this movie - a Santa who had lost his way to booze and loose living whilest getting caught up in the job.
This costs him his wife, Ms. Santa, and the respect of his elves (the people at the party).
As Christmas rolls around that fateful 1980's night, that first scent of egg nog and Christmas delight awakens the flame that was kindling in John's soul, a fire that exposed that gaping hole.
He crossed the world for his love only to be surprised by greed from above.
As he shimmied a crawled through that scraper so high, he was bound and determined to draw oh so nigh, to save his girl held by capitalist pigs who laughed and gloated whilest smoking their cigs.
Who's that? A lawyer, a scribe, to save the day. No no no, as we watch his brains spray.
It was john all along who would kill this scrouge in fun, ho ho ho he now has a machine gun.
What's that? You gonna trap Santa's arse? that commie didn't know, that Santa walks on glass.
And just when that Capitalist greedy scum thinks his will get his gold...John comes at him oh so bold.
Oh look! Scrouge has Ms. Santa OH that man is WHACK.
Santa laughs "Yippy ki yah MO FO scope out my back!"
Ms Clause, inspired, stomps on Scrooges toe as he is met with bullets and plummets below.
Death claims another and the commie falls...
Santa got his MO JO back Merry Christmas to all.
Bruce Willis represents Santa in this movie - a Santa who had lost his way to booze and loose living whilest getting caught up in the job.
This costs him his wife, Ms. Santa, and the respect of his elves (the people at the party).
As Christmas rolls around that fateful 1980's night, that first scent of egg nog and Christmas delight awakens the flame that was kindling in John's soul, a fire that exposed that gaping hole.
He crossed the world for his love only to be surprised by greed from above.
As he shimmied a crawled through that scraper so high, he was bound and determined to draw oh so nigh, to save his girl held by capitalist pigs who laughed and gloated whilest smoking their cigs.
Who's that? A lawyer, a scribe, to save the day. No no no, as we watch his brains spray.
It was john all along who would kill this scrouge in fun, ho ho ho he now has a machine gun.
What's that? You gonna trap Santa's arse? that commie didn't know, that Santa walks on glass.
And just when that Capitalist greedy scum thinks his will get his gold...John comes at him oh so bold.
Oh look! Scrouge has Ms. Santa OH that man is WHACK.
Santa laughs "Yippy ki yah MO FO scope out my back!"
Ms Clause, inspired, stomps on Scrooges toe as he is met with bullets and plummets below.
Death claims another and the commie falls...
Santa got his MO JO back Merry Christmas to all.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:53 am to theunknownknight
What makes your typical holiday film so Christmas-y?
- A Christmas soundtrack and/or holiday decorations? Die Hard has those.
- The morals of Christmas (peace on earth and goodwill toward men)? Die Hard has those.
- The importance of family? Die Hard has it.
- A romance plot? Die Hard has it.
Die Hard is essentially an adult version of Home Alone. Most people consider Home Alone to be a Christmas movie. Just because Die Hard has blood, death and explosions doesn't make it any less of one.
- A Christmas soundtrack and/or holiday decorations? Die Hard has those.
- The morals of Christmas (peace on earth and goodwill toward men)? Die Hard has those.
- The importance of family? Die Hard has it.
- A romance plot? Die Hard has it.
Die Hard is essentially an adult version of Home Alone. Most people consider Home Alone to be a Christmas movie. Just because Die Hard has blood, death and explosions doesn't make it any less of one.
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 10:54 am
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:55 am to lsufan9193969700
I watch Anchorman every Christmas Eve. It's a tradition unlike any other.
So I can't say Die Hard isn't a Christmas movie.
So I can't say Die Hard isn't a Christmas movie.
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