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re: Teen charged in crash that killed 5 family members...
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:23 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:23 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
quote:
Because it was his family, we should forget all the laws?
Since when is an accident against the law?
I don't think a reckless driving charge would stick here if he just wrecked. Like the other poster said, reckless driving to me sounds like drag racing on open streets, or passing on a double yellow. Not accidentally falling asleep at the wheel at night.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:25 am to Clyde Tipton
Falling asleep isn't reckless?
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:27 am to Clyde Tipton
technically he was reckless. I just don't think it is in good taste for the state to shake down a teen over 300 dollars. I don't think we need that 300 that bad and this is clearly a outlier situation. This type of crash is rare and all the circumstances should be taken into consideration and LSP should have decided to not give the ticket. However, they are a heartless machine that collects revenue. IMO they should change from protect and serve to collect and rape.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:27 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
quote:
Falling asleep isn't reckless?
Reckless, to me, sounds like intentional unsafe driving. He didn't intentionally make the decision to close his eyes while doing 70 mph.
And yes, I'm arguing just for the sake of argument.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:29 am to Clyde Tipton
Falling asleep has to be against some law, and reckless fits the best. I feel terrible for the kid, I just think if you don't at least charge him with something, even if it gets thrown out, that you're setting a bad precedent
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:29 am to heartbreakTiger
Just can't comprehend why they let a 16 y/o drive at night, on interstate, without close supervision.
And nobody buckled. ....just damn
Sooooo much wrong with this tragedy
And nobody buckled. ....just damn
Sooooo much wrong with this tragedy
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:31 am to Clyde Tipton
"Oh, he just accidentally killed most of his immediately family? Let's see if we can milk a few bucks out of this teenager by writing him a ticket."
- Louisiana State Police
- Louisiana State Police
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:32 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
quote:
So why would it be different if he was impaired?
1)I seriously doubt he was.
2)Falling asleep at the wheel and driving wasted are not the same thing. Are you really saying it is?
3)You never answered my question- who would the state be giving justice to by prosecuting this kid?
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:33 am to Clyde Tipton
What if the ticket has to be written due to SOP but will also be thrown out later?
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:33 am to lsusteve1
quote:
Just can't comprehend why they let a 16 y/o drive at night, on interstate, without close supervision.
And nobody buckled. ....just damn
Sooooo much wrong with this tragedy
Absolutely agree. ... What makes this entire thing even more tragic than it already is, is that it could have been avoided so easily.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:34 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
It doesn't set any type of precedent to not charge him. no one would know they aren't charging him. I don't think they would do a news story of outrage that the kid wasn't charged. While I'm fairly anti cop, I am actually in favor of allowing them some discretion in how to handle situations like this. IMO we don't need a judicial system based on emotion but we also shouldn't be using rigid application. Sometimes you have to take into account all the circumstances and decided that maybe since it was a one car accident and the out come was so tragic and clearly an accident that we shouldn't try to shake down a kid for revenue.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:36 am to lsusteve1
quote:agreed it is extremely tragic. It could have been avoided. I don't know why you would let a young driver go unsupervised on a long trip like this at night. Also seems like the family would be buckled up but my guess was since it was night time they were sleeping and we unbuckled because it is more comfortable to sleep like that. Then LSP comes in at the end drives home a elbow to the face of the kid.
Just can't comprehend why they let a 16 y/o drive at night, on interstate, without close supervision.
And nobody buckled. ....just damn
Sooooo much wrong with this tragedy
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:36 am to Clyde Tipton
quote:
Reckless, to me, sounds like intentional unsafe driving. He didn't intentionally make the decision to close his eyes while doing 70 mph.
No one does. But also most reasonable people realize when they're getting too tired to stay awake. If you're driving and you're struggling to keep your eyes open, pull over, turn on your hazards and sleep. That's simple shite you learn in driving school. Between him falling asleep and no one being buckled this tragedy was very avoidable with some common sense.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:37 am to Clyde Tipton
Bad call by LEO.
How many people here haven't had a cop let you slide? The kid just lost his family. Now the poor kid has more solid proof that it was his fault, when in fact, it was his parents fault.
How many people here haven't had a cop let you slide? The kid just lost his family. Now the poor kid has more solid proof that it was his fault, when in fact, it was his parents fault.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:37 am to Hardy_Har
quote:Most likely
but will also be thrown out later?
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:40 am to ell_13
it might be thrown out but sometimes procedures need to be bent depending on circumstances like this. This story just gives the already battered image of cops a worse image.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:42 am to NYNolaguy1
quote:
1)I seriously doubt he was. 2)Falling asleep at the wheel and driving wasted are not the same thing. Are you really saying it is? 3)You never answered my question- who would the state be giving justice to by prosecuting this kid?
I'm saying falling asleep at the wheel can be just as reckless as driving drunk, as evidenced by this case.
Who is the state giving justice to by prosecuting someone for poaching? you're confusing justice with vengeance
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:46 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
if you are poaching then you are taking something away from the citizens of LA. Seriously, you can't think who you hurt by poaching? if someone poaches a rare specious then they are depriving citizens of the ability to see natural LA wildlife.
There was no reason outside of SOP to give this ticket to this teen. The only people truly affected by this are the family members of this kid.
There was no reason outside of SOP to give this ticket to this teen. The only people truly affected by this are the family members of this kid.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:48 am to heartbreakTiger
If I'm taking it away from the citizens, then that means they own the animals. As do I in that case. What jurisdiction does the government have over that?
If you break SOP, then laws become subjective instead of objective
If you break SOP, then laws become subjective instead of objective
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:56 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
no the citizens have a right to see those animals. No one owns them but if you poach then you are hurting the citizens of la.
Sometimes procedure needs to be broken for common sense. I would rather some discretion than robots applying law. There is a middle ground between using only emotion to make decisions and always following procedure. How often does a single car crash happen like this one? it must not be all that often if this was special enough to pop up all over the news. So instead of just acting like a mindless robot, LSP should have taken into account all the variables of this crash. 1. this kid shouldn't have been driving. 2 the parents shouldn't have been sleeping. 3. He flipped the car and it didn't hit any other drivers. 4. the kid has been through enough we don't need to hustle him out of more money. This is an extreme circumstance and doesn't create precedent. Sometimes procedure needs to be less rigid. I promise you chaos isn't going to come down on the state if a state trooper uses some common sense and says you know this kid has had a horrible life changing day, I don't need to tack on a stupid meaningless ticket. Plus lets not act like cops always follow SOP anyways. Plenty of warnings and shite like that are given out so hiding behind SOP in this instance is just being scared to say we only care about collecting revenue.
Sometimes procedure needs to be broken for common sense. I would rather some discretion than robots applying law. There is a middle ground between using only emotion to make decisions and always following procedure. How often does a single car crash happen like this one? it must not be all that often if this was special enough to pop up all over the news. So instead of just acting like a mindless robot, LSP should have taken into account all the variables of this crash. 1. this kid shouldn't have been driving. 2 the parents shouldn't have been sleeping. 3. He flipped the car and it didn't hit any other drivers. 4. the kid has been through enough we don't need to hustle him out of more money. This is an extreme circumstance and doesn't create precedent. Sometimes procedure needs to be less rigid. I promise you chaos isn't going to come down on the state if a state trooper uses some common sense and says you know this kid has had a horrible life changing day, I don't need to tack on a stupid meaningless ticket. Plus lets not act like cops always follow SOP anyways. Plenty of warnings and shite like that are given out so hiding behind SOP in this instance is just being scared to say we only care about collecting revenue.
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