re: LSU should learn from Texas' mistakes

Tennessee thought the same thing when Phillip Fulmer was fired. They had two bad hires coaching wise that has been a major problem for butch jones in his attempt to turn Tennessee around. Be careful what you wish for when you say fire les for the future of the program because I assure you our program is in good shape considering the nfl had ravaged us the past 2 years.

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but being the only major football program in a state

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USL disagrees

Or maybe both Texas and Tennessee made the wrong decisions and weren't as smart as they thought they were

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He's here three more seasons barring a total disaster or retirement, in my opinion. It may be a tough three years if a slow decline continues.

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On the other hand, Les can really shake things up if the team makes the playoffs in '15 and/or '16.

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There is PLENTY of out-of-state competition. If I were a receiver or quarterback, LSU would be very low on my list of schools.

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LSU has 6 or 7 WRs in the NFL right now. I think that might go into your decision making.

The SEC is much different than getting your arse beat repeatedly in the Big 12

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How long will it be until the powers that be notice that Miles is starting the same trend.

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Are you suggesting that Miles should go? Uh oh...

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If I were a receiver or quarterback, LSU would be very low on my list of schools.

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exactly. Given what we've seen this season and based on Miles' stubborn behavior towards game plans, play calling, player's opportunities, why would a young talented player opt to come to LSU? I know LSU puts more players in the NFL than most other programs, but I don't think thats enough to convince a recruit to come here over other SEC schools. Especially since CLM has shown a propensity to stick with the run. And I'm sorry, but his inability to develop a QB doesn't lend much hope that this will change. So what does that tell the WR, TE? And if you're a lineman or Defensive player, why come to a program that appears to be headed downhill? And it is headed downhill, just as Tennessee and Texas has.

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Miles wasn't a homerun hire at the time.

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Mr let her rip? no way. didn't like it when LSU hired Miles. Still don't like it.

Soo... just playing devil's advocate here.

Mack Brown's 4 yrs after 1st national championship appearance (lost):

2010: 5-7 (2-6), not bowl eligible
2011: 8-5 (4-5), Won Holiday Bowl
2012: 9-4 (5-4), Won Alamo Bowl
2013: 8-5 (7-2), Lost Alamo Bowl

Les Miles' 4 yrs after 1st national championship appearance (won):

2008: 8-5 (3-5), Won Chick-fil-A Bowl
2009: 9-4 (5-3), Lost Cap One Bowl
2010: 11-2 (6-2), Won Cotton Bowl
2011: 13-1 (8-0), Lost BCS NC, SEC champs

Les Miles' 3 yrs after 2nd national championship appearance (lost):

2012: 10-3 (6-2), Lost Chick-fil-A Bowl
2013: 10-3 (5-3), Won Outback Bowl
2014: BEST CASE - 9-4 (4-4), Win mid-tier bowl
MIDDLE CASE - 8-5 (3-5), Win mid-tier bowl
WORST CASE - 7-6 (3-5), Lose mid to lower tier bowl


Miles is doing pretty well, when lined up with Mack's final years. One bad year and everyone heads for the hills... If I compared Miles' and Brown's recruiting classes over the same time period, it'd make you blush. Everyone just sit tight. We've expected this from before the season started.