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re: Why is it so difficult for LSU to develop a passing game?
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:16 pm to boxcar willie
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:16 pm to boxcar willie
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Maybe we shouldn't worry about developing a competent passing game anyway. We can still win 8-9 games a season without it. Probably won't beat Bama again for a long time without it, but we will win most of our other games.
Believe that was Cholly Macs philosophy....
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:18 pm to boxcar willie
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We finished middle of the pack in the SEC statiscally with two NFL WR's and a NFL QB. Not bad I suppose.
First time in SEC history with a 3,000 yard passer, two 1,000 yard receivers and a 1,400 yard runner. I'd call that balanced and effective.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:19 pm to boxcar willie
We felt the same way with Gene Stallings. Actually coach Miles is more creative than Gene. Lots of us were happy to see him go then came the dark years.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:20 pm to boxcar willie
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yeah it was ok. We finished middle of the pack in the SEC statiscally with two NFL WR's and a NFL QB.
We had the 2ND best third down% in the last 10 years. We finished middle of the pack because we also ran the ball well
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:22 pm to jefforize
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Highest paid staff in america
Can you back this up?
Les is the 4th highest paid coach in our division. Id assume sumlin and sabans salary make up where we are paying chavis, who has nothing to do with the o, and cam.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:23 pm to sjmabry
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coaching philosophy.
I agree with this. Coach Miles is not going to make this a priority. He is going to be a run first offense, period. I believe getting Mett just fell in his lap, but he is mainly looking for a QB that contributes mainly to the run game. He has made millions of dollars for his family doing it, and it is what he knows. It's not going to change. It isn't that he has tried and just can't make it happen. He is accomplishing what he wants to accomplish when he can win like he did against Ole Miss. Change the results of a hand full of plays and eliminate about 3 or 4 mistakes, and LSU would have beaten Bama in the same fashion. This is what he means when he says this team is ALMOST where it needs to be. These few mistakes, specifically dropped passes, are what he intends to address. He feels the QB is almost exactly where he wants him to be. It's the fans that want LSU to be a passing team.
ETA: Those who think that the public coach speak about passing more, using Harris, or whatever else he says is any more than a ruse to keep the other teams unsure of how to prepare are kidding themselves. He is NOT going to publicly announce how he is going to approach the next game, so the LSU fans know what to expect. Here is a quote of his that should be taken literally: "The only thing that I can tell you is that I am relatively honest and somewhat deceptive,” - Les Miles, 2005
#21 on Gene Wojciechowski's "College Football's 100 Greatest Things"
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:23 pm to sjmabry
My thought on this is that when we have a young qb we dumb down the play book based on the assumption that they won't be able to handle more. The coaches tell themselves they will open it up when the youngster masters that. The problem is that everyone knows the dozen or so passes we will throw and cover us like glue, jump the routes, blitz when they see us in those formations, etc. We then think - oh wow. This kid is really having a hard time with this. We just better stick to running. Passing only when we have to. Guess what happens then - same outcome. And the receivers are so unaccustomed to catching balls on a regular basis they psych themselves out about it. And drop passes. That's happening this year and watch some clips from two years ago. Odell and Jarvis dropped a ton. Rueben dropped a bunch in the JJ era.
We just need to trust the young guys like every other program in America does. We ruin kid after kid - their confidence goes to zero. They lose crowd support. They get frustrated. They leave. Or stay and perform miserably. It took Mettenberger a year to work through it and he is good enough to start in the league.
Watching it year after year is rough. It's not even entertainment when you really think about it.
Les has figured out he can win to a certain level doing this. He isn't sure what would happen if he let it rip so he doesn't do it. Unless he has three future nfl players on the roster.
We just need to trust the young guys like every other program in America does. We ruin kid after kid - their confidence goes to zero. They lose crowd support. They get frustrated. They leave. Or stay and perform miserably. It took Mettenberger a year to work through it and he is good enough to start in the league.
Watching it year after year is rough. It's not even entertainment when you really think about it.
Les has figured out he can win to a certain level doing this. He isn't sure what would happen if he let it rip so he doesn't do it. Unless he has three future nfl players on the roster.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:30 pm to TigerBait1127
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We had the 2ND best third down% in the last 10 years. We finished middle of the pack because we also ran the ball well
we finished 7th out of 14 teams in total offense also. That's a team with NFL WR's, QB, and RB. It may have been a record setting passing offense for LSU but it was very middle of the pack compared to the rest of the SEC. The myth that the passing game was great last year is simply a myth. Any other OC in the SEC could have had a real banner year with that offense.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:38 pm to tjohn deaux
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I agree with this. Coach Miles is not going to make this a priority. He is going to be a run first offense, period. I believe getting Mett just fell in his lap, but he is mainly looking for a QB that contributes mainly to the run game. He has made millions of dollars for his family doing it, and it is what he knows. It's not going to change.
+1
Cam came in w Mett there so he gave him a little more rope, but that's it.
. he wants BIG guys like MICHIGAN used to be w Schembechler .... let's keep the game close till the fourth qtr. and hopefully, we have worn them out and can pull it out in the 4th
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:42 pm to El Sid
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The problem is that everyone knows the dozen or so passes we will throw and cover us like glue, jump the routes, blitz when they see us in those formations, etc. We then think - oh wow. This kid is really having a hard time with this. We just better stick to running. Passing only when we have to. Guess what happens then - same outcome. And the receivers are so unaccustomed to catching balls on a regular basis they psych themselves out about it. And drop passes.
now here is someone that really does get it. My sentiments exactly.
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We just need to trust the young guys like every other program in America does.
Oddly enough it seems like the coaching staff really doesn't see it as much of a problem. The coaching staff didn't look like they put much emphasis on developing a passing game until it was to late. All of a sudden against Bama they decide we need to throw the ball some if we expect to win. Sorry, but to late. The building blocks for that should have been put in place long ago and continued throughout the season.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:43 pm to boxcar willie
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Other teams make it look so simple, for this team it seems to be a monumental task. Is the talent level really that bad? Have we wiffed in recruiting recievers and QB's or does the problem lie elsewhere?
That's the million dollar question. Every week we see nobody QB's at nobody programs come off the bench and light things up. Yet year after year LSU can't even put a fair passing game together. Except for Mett last year. Doesn't matter who the QB is or who the OC is, the results don't change.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:45 pm to El Sid
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Watching it year after year is rough. It's not even entertainment when you really think about it.
it is so hard to watch them play when you know they could be so much more. It's not like they didn't play their hearts out against Bama, they did. But we were handicapped from the get go. It's ashamed that we do that to these guys after all the great effort they have given. Really I feel physically sick thinking about it.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:49 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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LSU can't even put a fair passing game together. Except for Mett last year
and even that was average. Hard to believe the best we can do is average results with the offense talent we had last year.
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who the OC is, the
Cam was supposed to be that guy. He' been a major disappointment so far in that catagory
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:51 pm to boxcar willie
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Except for Mett last year
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and even that was average.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:53 pm to boxcar willie
If a QB isn't All-SEC, nay, All-American by the time they're a freshman or sophomore they should just give the frick up and focus on school or go to ITI Technical College or something. Right?
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:53 pm to lsu2006
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and even that was average.
check the stats dude. The passing game looked great for us because of what we have become accustomed to.
We finished 5th in rushing offense, 6th in passing offense, and 7th in total offense.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:54 pm to boxcar willie
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it is so hard to watch them play when you know they could be so much more. It's not like they didn't play their hearts out against Bama, they did. But we were handicapped from the get go. It's ashamed that we do that to these guys after all the great effort they have given.
well said ....
GREAT COACHES develop talent using the most of each one's ability, this may involve risk
Insecure coaches, FORCE TALENT to mold to their ways...
that is usually strangle hold on development
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:55 pm to boxcar willie
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check the stats dude.
You should check the stats, dipshit. I can't believe you would even hint at the notion of our passing attack being "average" last year. The stupidity of this board is reaching astronomical levels. Amazing what losing to 3 top 10 teams will do to you fricking idiots.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:59 pm to lsu2006
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You should check the stats, dip shite. I
I just posted them dip shite. Take a look at them.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 8:01 pm to boxcar willie
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I just posted them dip shite. Take a look at them.
Cool.
Our passing game (or our offense) still wasn't "average" and there's honestly nothing you can say to convince any rational human without an agenda that it was.
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