re: The official Interstellar thread (spoilers)

roger on both points
Thanks, I had forgotten the mention of the neutron star...

I was pretty giddy at that point watching the visuals

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....YOU are SO close!
The movie(story) is GOD!(LOVE) ,showing what is next for humanity. How we advance to the next dimension in our SOUL journey. The soul does not die. It moves to higher dimensions when we earn it. the Bible mentions "many mansions" = dimensions!, in Heaven. Also, Revelations 21:1 - There will be a new Heaven and a new Earth. Ladies and gentlemen, certain things happen for a reason, the timing of the this movie sends a prophetic message: get ready for change.

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I don't think this movie has any religious connections at all, personally.

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Man - there is some sage wisdom, here.

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Not sure if serious.

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The movie(story) is GOD!(LOVE) ,showing what is next for humanity. How we advance to the next dimension in our SOUL journey. The soul does not die. It moves to higher dimensions when we earn it. the Bible mentions "many mansions" = dimensions!, in Heaven. Also, Revelations 21:1 - There will be a new Heaven and a new Earth. Ladies and gentlemen, certain things happen for a reason, the timing of the this movie sends a prophetic message: get ready for change.

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I don't agree but it's an interesting perspective.

Finally had a chance to watch a couple times. Well done. My restraining order notwithstanding, Hathaway seemed conspicuously cast from the first shot, though.

I appreciated the homage to 2001, it seemed humble & reverant. And like that movie, Interstellar walked deftly enough to propose an eternity that might be a mix of faith & science that we aren't old enough to know yet.

The film had every chance & angle to be heavy-handed & wasn't.

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The movie(story) is GOD!(LOVE) ,showing what is next for humanity. How we advance to the next dimension in our SOUL journey. The soul does not die. It moves to higher dimensions when we earn it. the Bible mentions "many mansions" = dimensions!, in Heaven. Also, Revelations 21:1 - There will be a new Heaven and a new Earth. Ladies and gentlemen, certain things happen for a reason, the timing of the this movie sends a prophetic message: get ready for change.

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Lol

shite was another contact except not as good

It tries so hard to be 2001: a space odyssey

I thought it was fantastic all around.

Just came back from seeing it again.


I noticed a lot more in the way of science errors, but I recognize that it would be nitpicking so I will leave that alone.

Oh, but the person who was deflecting from the nitpicking because "we don't really know" is being stupid. 90% of the things brought up we do actually have a pretty good idea of.

Not in the mood to write a book, so I will cut it down to two points, and one possibly big plot hole:

1) The wormhole is open, and there isn't really much of a debate. The ship he took isn't like the Ranger they first used. It looked like it is a short endurance craft, almost akin to a fighter. Only one seat, no crew, except for a port for a robot assistant to dock with.

It is questionable that he could have made it to Brand even with a wormhole in that craft. Without it, he wouldn't have had a chance to even make it to Pluto.

You are left with two outcomes. Either the wormhole is open, or you must assume that he just wanted to die in a cockpit.

The only movie argument is the fact that they weren't about to send a mass of ships over so if the wormhole was closed why does Cooper need to take a ship....which leads to the next point

2) How painfully obvious it was that they weren't planning on relocating through the wormhole, so the assumption a mass of humanity was going through it shortly is a false one. I didn't catch the subtle cues the first time, or rather didn't really understand their implications.


It isn't a crowded refugee carrier en route to a destination. They were building farms, and kids had the space and leisure time to play sports unlike on Earth.

It is Cooper Station, not Cooper Carrier. Humanity never heard back from Endurance for nearly a 100 years. They assumed they all failed to find a safe home and died as a result. They gave up on them, because they were focused on saving themselves.

And they done so with the gravity equation to build stations with earth-like artificial gravity that are scattered across the solar system. That is why Murph was in 2 years of cryo sleep en transit to Cooper Station.

She was probably still in an earth orbiting one.

Now you can argue that things were getting to the point of stability allowing for excesses that exploration requires....but it is only just happening, and there is no urgency to it.

The plot hole I was referring to can support this depending on how you want to interpret it: they have made clear that the wormhole went to multiple destinations. They only liked the one with Endurance because of the multiple possible positive hits. However, they equally as strongly imply that the wormhole was one way. Science and in context explanations of the wormhole support the one destination hypothesis.....but you still have a line of dialogue about the Lazarus missions going to multiple star systems.


One comment I would like to make about those who are suggesting that Murph might have pushed Cooper away because she hated him.......

No....she long since forgave him. She forgave him the second she realized he was her "ghost."

The foundation of her pushing him away is the root of a cold but still true fact: He wasn't a part of the life she built. No personal touch since when she was 10. Why should she disregard those who she built her life around to try to play catch up?


That is why she kindly and gently pushed him away, and suggested he go to Brand rather than make her suffer in ignorance alone, thinking that due to the time dilation from her close encounter with the black hole that she is literally the only human left alive in the entire universe.

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Oh, but the person who was deflecting from the nitpicking because "we don't really know" is being stupid. 90% of the things brought up we do actually have a pretty good idea of.

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So, we have a pretty good idea that when we go into a black hole, we go back in time?

Well considering that didn't even happen in your science fiction movie.....no.

Probably not.


But that was obviously the 10% I was talking about, what can happen after an event horizon. The film portrayal strains credulity in multiple ways...but you are right...we don't know.


I was referring to attempts to stamp discussion of the possibility of the existence and nature of Miller, what is the light source for the planets, and could they have even survived, etc


And you note that I said that didn't want to get bogged down in pointing out all the flaws....like for instance if the Endurance followed the path they did to get out of the black hole, even if the the ship AND them survived, plan B would no longer be in any way viable.

But I let it go and focused on a the story elements....like you asked.


You are just being contrarian because I just gave an explanation that fits the story very well and destroys the main argument for the wormhole being closed.


It's okay....I'd be married to the idea too if I had just spent 30 pages arguing it.