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re: Micheal Jordan ESPN conversation after MNF
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:06 am to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:06 am to TbirdSpur2010
I just don't think Lebron has the mental fortitude to stand up to something like the Bad Boy Pistons, the Twin Towers in Houston or the Celtic dynasty for 48 minutes IMO. When he was with the Cavs, he flat out quit on several occasions in the playoffs against teams that weren't playing him nearly as tough as NBA defenses in the 80s would have. He has improved leaps and bounds in that department, but he essentially had to learn how to do it by watching Dwayne Wade pick up the slack for him time and against that first season together. Dude got shut down in the clutch by a 90 year old Shawn Marion in the 2011 Finals.
I will say Lebron would have flourished with the showtime Lakers, though.
I will say Lebron would have flourished with the showtime Lakers, though.
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Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:07 am to TbirdSpur2010
These arguments are dumb. LeBron would have been an unstoppable force in any era.
If you want to mock him for leaving Cleveland to chase a title or laugh at the idea of him returning to Cleveland was nothing more than him picking the better basketball situation then go ahead, I'll be right there with you.
To think that an insanely skilled 6'8" athletic freak couldn't handle legal hand checking is just laughable.
If you want to mock him for leaving Cleveland to chase a title or laugh at the idea of him returning to Cleveland was nothing more than him picking the better basketball situation then go ahead, I'll be right there with you.
To think that an insanely skilled 6'8" athletic freak couldn't handle legal hand checking is just laughable.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:10 am to Roger Klarvin
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I just don't think Lebron has the mental fortitude to stand up to something like the Bad Boy Pistons, the Twin Towers in Houston or the Celtic dynasty for 48 minutes IMO.
I call bullshite. The dude is physically built for contact and had he played in an era where physicality were rewarded, he would have done just fine. Maybe a worse shooter, but unstoppable going to the rack.
I say again--players play to their strengths to be elite. Saying LeBron would have done fine with contact in no way invalidates Jordan's ability to do so.
Also, frick you for making me defend James
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:11 am to RTR America
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These arguments are dumb. LeBron would have been an unstoppable force in any era.
If you want to mock him for leaving Cleveland to chase a title or laugh at the idea of him returning to Cleveland was nothing more than him picking the better basketball situation then go ahead, I'll be right there with you.
To think that an insanely skilled 6'8" athletic freak couldn't handle legal hand checking is just laughable.
Quoted for mf'n truth.
I swear I don't know which group is worse sometimes: the Jordan hero worshippers or the James fanboys
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:12 am to TbirdSpur2010
He is absolutely built for it, I just don't think he has the inner will to do it consistently.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:14 am to TbirdSpur2010
I find myself more often on the side of the MJ fan boys so I have to go with the LBJ worshippers.
I think I find the nostalgia worshippers worse than either. The league is in a tremendous place right now, where as in the 90's a ton of teams played some ugly arse basketball.
I think I find the nostalgia worshippers worse than either. The league is in a tremendous place right now, where as in the 90's a ton of teams played some ugly arse basketball.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:15 am to Roger Klarvin
He does. He's a freaking tight end who plays bball
Give him an incentive to be rewarded for contact? He'd be in hog heaven.
Give him an incentive to be rewarded for contact? He'd be in hog heaven.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:16 am to RTR America
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I think I find the nostalgia worshippers worse than either. The league is in a tremendous place right now, where as in the 90's a ton of teams played some ugly arse basketball.
Agree (as we are wont to do on this subject
). Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:16 am to TbirdSpur2010
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He's a freaking tight end who plays bball
If he had some good hands he'd definitely be the GOAT WR
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:16 am to molsusports
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on the contrary his insecurities were what drove to the levels he reached.
I forget who it was, but some role player for the Rockets (I think) called Jordan out in the media prior to a game in the early-90s. Basically mocked him publically.
When he got in the game, Jordan took the ball, cleared the side of the court out and scored something like seven consecutive baskets on this guy. By the end he was shouting what he was going to do before he did it and it didn't matter.
Jordan is very insecure and takes things personally, and God help you if you were part of that insecurity
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:19 am to RTR America
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If he had some good hands he'd definitely be the GOAT WR
In Tbird's Alternate Universe, the Dallas Cowboys have won 3 SB's with their devestating offensive attack of Tony Romo at QB, LBJ and Jason Witten at dual TEs, and Dez Bryant roaming on the outside, while Tim Duncan has 6 titles instead of 5
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:20 am to RTR America
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I think I find the nostalgia worshippers worse than either.
It isn't so much worshipping the past as it is disliking the way the game has gone over the last 10-15 years. The refs are just such huge factors and take over games regularly, fundamentals have in many ways become secondary to athletic ability and post play is just abysmal compared to what it once was.
Watching David Robinson and Hakeem go at it on the block was just awesome as a kid. Nowadays, it's just a bunch of athletic guys with poor footwork and limited offensive games doing highlight dunks.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:26 am to Roger Klarvin
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fundamentals have in many ways become secondary to athletic ability
I look at the continuing transformation of Blake Griffin and disagree.
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post play is just abysmal compared to what it once was.
Really?
Tim Duncan, Pau Gasol, Tiago Splitter, Zach Randolph, Marc Gasol?
And while I won't deny the decreased role of the traditional Center position, look at the multiple nature of so many players today, not to mention we are in a literal golden age of elite point guards.
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Nowadays, it's just a bunch of athletic guys with poor footwork and limited offensive games doing highlight dunks.
Couldn't disagree more.
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 1:28 am
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:42 am to TbirdSpur2010
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I look at the continuing transformation of Blake Griffin and disagree.
Or the development of the stretch 4. We have guys all over the league that 6'9" and above that can handle the ball and shoot from outside.
Also we are in a golden era for PG's. The depth at that position is insane (and most are younger than 25.)
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athletic guys
How is this a bad thing?
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poor footwork
(PS Tbird he is like 50 pounds lighter since this gif. Spurs are fricked)
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limited offensive game
Have you watched any of the recent finals? The Spurs, Heat, and Mavs all play beautiful basketball. If you want a return to the ugly basketball of the 90's watch the Thunder play offense in the playoffs.
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highlight dunks.
Again not sure why this is a bad thing? Highlight dunks have been a part of basketball for decades.
I do wish the Grizzlies were on national TV more often because we seem to fit exactly what these 90's worshippers are looking for in a team.
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 1:45 am
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:47 am to RTR America
I wouldn't say LMA has elite footwork but that post fade is 
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:48 am to RTR America
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I do wish the Grizzlies were on national TV more often because we seem to fit exactly what these 90's worshippers are looking for in a team.
Nah, y'all would just get saddled with the "boring" label like the late 90s-mid 2000s Spurs and they'd still carp about how the original 90s teams did it better. It never ends
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I wouldn't say LMA has elite footwork but that post fade is
That shite is nigh unblockable
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 1:50 am
Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:18 am to Roger Klarvin
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Lebron can never surpass Jordan IMO, for several reasons. First, Lebron left Cleveland to join an all-star cast in order to win a title...and still failed in their first go 'round against an inferior ragtag bunch from Dallas. Second, Jordan played in an era where defenders were allowed to maul players around the basket. The Jordan rules used by the Pistons would make Lebron's arse quit like a bitch, and the defenders employing it would get ejected in today's game. Jordan's points where MUCH tougher to earn game in and game out. Finally, Jordan was just flat out tougher. Lebron, for all his skill, has a lot of bitch in him. He has gotten better at suppressing it, but it still rises up when adversity hits every now and then. Lebron has more raw talent, but he'll never be MJ.
Oh my god...
Someone please tell me this isn't serious? Fml..
Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:27 am to ReauxlTide222
I know I'm being dramatic, but reading this thread has me questioning the depths of retardation that the human race can dive to.
How can people observe things like this, soak them in, be this wrong, and still be able to vote?
How can people observe things like this, soak them in, be this wrong, and still be able to vote?
Posted on 10/28/14 at 6:03 am to Roger Klarvin
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I just don't think Lebron has the mental fortitude to stand up to something like the Bad Boy Pistons
One forearm shiver from Laimbeer would have Lebron doubled over on the bench. The Pistons couldn't exist in the pussified world of the present day NBA.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 7:37 am to Tigerfan56
Can someone summarize the interview?
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