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Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:12 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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A lot of that went over my head.
cliff notes:
1) Symptoms absolutely must be present to be infectious.
2) No data to generate a good 1st World mortality rate, but if (and only if) you are treated for Ebola while in the initial stages, you probably cut mortality by half, if not more.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:18 pm to LSUgirl4
Better to say that there is no confirmed treatment other than supportive care.
Once Ebola induces something called a cytokine storm (essentially all of the debris from destroyed cells causes the immune system to kick it up and attack EVERYTHING. The immune system kills a lot of Ebola at that point, but far more of good cells), pretty much all they can do is make you comfortable and hope.
There are experimental options however to try and prevent it from getting to that stage.
Once Ebola induces something called a cytokine storm (essentially all of the debris from destroyed cells causes the immune system to kick it up and attack EVERYTHING. The immune system kills a lot of Ebola at that point, but far more of good cells), pretty much all they can do is make you comfortable and hope.
There are experimental options however to try and prevent it from getting to that stage.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:23 pm to Volvagia
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cliff notes:
1) Symptoms absolutely must be present to be infectious.
Even Cliff notes ought to define "symptoms", because people may think you have to be oozing blood to be infectious. I linked on the previous page to the WHO which says:
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Humans are not infectious until they develop symptoms. First symptoms are the sudden onset of fever fatigue, muscle pain, headache and sore throat.
I then linked to the CDC page which says these generic symptoms can last 5 days. Hopefully anyone who's had contact, direct or indirect, in the 2-21 day incubation period immediately assumes the worst when he starts to feel a little run down. That's pretty much what we're counting on.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:24 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
My worry is that with the onset of flu season people will just assume the have the flu and go about their normal lives
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:25 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
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Humans are not infectious until they develop symptoms. First symptoms are the sudden onset of fever fatigue, muscle pain, headache and sore throat.
great, so basically flu symptoms. with flu season right around the corner... so by the time you realize "this shite aint the flu" it's too late.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:41 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
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Hopefully anyone who's had contact, direct or indirect, in the 2-21 day incubation period immediately assumes the worst when he starts to feel a little run down. That's pretty much what we're counting on.
That's literally what we're counting on, and I would recommend thinking about exactly what it really means. Oh well, people like Marilu Henner who have superior autobiographical memory will be best able to comply, especially if they get to read flight manifests to see where all her co-passengers came from and can interview them about their contacts during their incubation periods.
To add to that, there's this:
LINK
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The World Health Organization called the Ebola outbreak "the most severe, acute health emergency seen in modern times"
I'm comforted by governments around the world taking this so seriously:
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Philippine Health Secretary Enrique Ona said authorities will ask more than 1,700 Filipinos working in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea to observe themselves for at least 21 days for Ebola symptoms in those countries first if they plan to return home.
Once home, they should observe themselves for another 21 days and then report the result of their self-screening to health authorities to be doubly sure they have not been infected, he said, adding that hospitals which would deal with any Ebola patients have already been identified in the Philippines.
I'm sure those 1,700 Filipinos will be all over this voluntary plan, a grand experiment in patient compliance. There won't be any deniers who insist their flu-like symptoms are just a cold or flu. There won't be any who think they're strong like bull and have urgent business that overrides the slim chance they contracted the disease. With measures like these, can there be any doubt the exponential growth will be stopped?
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:43 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
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I believe I've read that with supportive treatment, which is all there is, it's about 50%. Meanwhile, the Lizzies have to maintain perfect protocol when dealing with the copious amounts of Ebola juice the victims are producing for up to 10 days or so. Nice.
That's in Africa though. We don't have any data for mortality rate in the US or other developed nations.
The more I read your posts, the more I think you just have some fascination for a big US outbreak. There's a reason that people who know what they're talking about aren't in full on panic mode. There's no reason to be.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:51 pm to Boats n Hose
We're all gonna die. Get your head out of the sand.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:52 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Go start more shitty troll threads bro
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:53 pm to Boats n Hose
You'll see. I'm a prophet.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:55 pm to Boats n Hose
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The more I read your posts, the more I think you just have some fascination for a big US outbreak. There's a reason that people who know what they're talking about aren't in full on panic mode. There's no reason to be.
There doesn't need to be an outbreak on a catastrophic scale. I don't think that is the line where a reasonable person becomes concerned.
For every person in this thread that thinks it is airborne or thinks everyone is going to die, there is someone who sees no reason for concern because it's not a global killer.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:58 pm to moneyg
There's reason for concern, but not much by the general US population. And the spread of misinformation annoys me more than anything else.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:03 pm to Boats n Hose
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And the spread of misinformation annoys me more than anything else
You and me both brother....
Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:05 pm to Volvagia
I need to put the OT away for a while 
Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:08 pm to Boats n Hose
Why are you so butthurt by my posts? You said yourself this isn't serious.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:10 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Because. You have no frame of reference here. You're like a child who wonders into the middle of a movie and wants to know what's happening.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:12 pm to Boats n Hose
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Because. You have no frame of reference here. You're like a child who wonders into the middle of a movie and wants to know what's happening.
At what point should the general population be concerned? What will be the signs/indicators?
Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:16 pm to Boats n Hose
I'm disappointed Boats. I never took you for a pretentious little bitch. Guess I was wrong.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:18 pm to moneyg
More than just one domestically aquired case.
Very sporatic cases related to travel and those involved with their care wouldn't worry me much. If domestically aquired infections start piling up in one place, I'd be concerned. It would still likely stay contained IMO, but I'd be pretty uncomfortable with it.
Very sporatic cases related to travel and those involved with their care wouldn't worry me much. If domestically aquired infections start piling up in one place, I'd be concerned. It would still likely stay contained IMO, but I'd be pretty uncomfortable with it.
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