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re: Isn't This a Spread Formation?
Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:46 am to DVinBR
Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:46 am to DVinBR
The 3 WR set with 1 TE shotgun formation should be our base set.
You can run any play from that formation and it forces teams to respect the pass.
We should run the 4 WR set you see above from time to time as well, but I don't think we'd be best running from that formation the majority of the time.
You can run any play from that formation and it forces teams to respect the pass.
We should run the 4 WR set you see above from time to time as well, but I don't think we'd be best running from that formation the majority of the time.
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:51 am to CanIPlay636
The potential is there as you can see. For those who say we only run out of the I, here is proof we don't. We just have run these type of formations more often.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:51 am to dos crystal
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Have you not watched our qb's throw? One throws over the wr's head (3 complete balls out of 15 tries) another skips balls into the grownd and completes less than 50%.
I'm curious why people think we should throw more when we struggle to complete A pass.
I boils down to, it's not the coaching. the plays are being called. these kids aren't able to make the play at this point in their career.
way, way to much logic in this statement for the rant to handle. By the way on that play Harris threw into double coverage when the tight end was wide open in the flat!
Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:56 am to Brendoni
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it is, and imo, that's the way they should line up, 99.9% of the time. it doesn't make sense, for Brandon harris to take snaps under center, imo.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:00 am to Brendoni
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the coaches have to adjust to the players
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:02 am to DVinBR
In this picture I believe you have to attack the safety over the slot. I dont believe that they should have dickson tho. Diarse should be in that position.
Odds are you are going to get a favorable read in this look.
Im all for running the ball out of this formation Im just saying this is a good look for an offense in that formation. If that LB drops into a coverage then you should have a short route available. If he goes out in a flat coverage you have a 1 on 1 match up that should be in your favor. There are many more but that is the most basic read for a young QB on the road. gets him into a groove and a feel for the game.
Odds are you are going to get a favorable read in this look.
Im all for running the ball out of this formation Im just saying this is a good look for an offense in that formation. If that LB drops into a coverage then you should have a short route available. If he goes out in a flat coverage you have a 1 on 1 match up that should be in your favor. There are many more but that is the most basic read for a young QB on the road. gets him into a groove and a feel for the game.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:06 am to jakedel12
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Have you not watched our qb's throw? One throws over the wr's head (3 complete balls out of 15 tries) another skips balls into the grownd and completes less than 50%.
I'm curious why people think we should throw more when we struggle to complete A pass.
I boils down to, it's not the coaching. the plays are being called. these kids aren't able to make the play at this point in their career.
way, way to much logic in this statement for the rant to handle. By the way on that play Harris threw into double coverage when the tight end was wide open in the flat!
you both sound like morons. did it ever occur to you that by the time harris started throwing it, LSU was already down 17? Auburn knew exactly what LSU was going to do and adjusted accordingly.
go look at the play by play of LSUs first 4 series. now, its hard to argue that LSU should have tried passing on first down a couple times since all their runs went for 6+ yards on 1st. But maybe, just maybe, by letting harris attempt a few passes early on to get settled in, as opposed to asking him to start slinging it around when down 17 halfway through the 2nd quarter when an 18 year old will be prone to press and make mistakes, he may not have felt like he needed to run for his life every snap.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:07 am to moneyg
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The 3 WR set with 1 TE shotgun formation should be our base set.
I agree with you but that TE needs to be a catch threat. Since we obviously dont have that Id rather have Dural Dupree on outside with Diarse and Quinn in the slot. You realize the mismatches we could get in the slot with those guys? I dont see a LB covering Diarse. N and D corners is a match up you believe you can win. S should be something that you can exploit
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:07 am to monsterballads
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you do the math
Okay...
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Haden Rettig would have been a perfect fit, but he was told the offense was going a different direction.
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Harris was the best in the nation at running the Auburn style offense in HS
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the o-line is being taught zone blocking used in spread offenses
= looks like Miles is changing offensive philosophies.
I guess kids who want instant gratification expect to see it happen instantaneously, but, believe it or not, it takes time. There will be growing pains. These are students with a limited amount of time for practicing new schemes and techniques.
Trouble is, I don't think LSU fans have enough patience to wait until Harris' JR year to see it become successful. But that's probably when it would be fully implemented.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:11 am to WildTchoupitoulas
It shouldn't take three years to break in a new QB. That's been a problem for LSU.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:11 am to dos crystal
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Have you not watched our qb's throw? One throws over the wr's head (3 complete balls out of 15 tries) another skips balls into the grownd and completes less than 50%.
Jesus dude shut up with this already.
You say it every time someone mentions the spread.
The QBs look worse throwing out of the I. They fumble the exchange from fricking center to the QB out of the I.
Harris was being recruited by AU to run their offense. Why is that? You think they would of recruited mett outta JUCO to run the spread?
No. Why? Because they know what QBs to recruit for their system.
Harris is a spread QB. Put him in the spread exclusively and just run that. And guess what? He's probably gonna look much better running it when that's all he runs in games and practice. Imagine that.
Oh yea, you can also run out of the spread.
And you need to pick your arguments. Don't get mad at me Miles recruited a spread QB out of HS (a kid who NEVER took a snap from under center in HS) to run the I-formation offense and then wonder why he struggles.
So pick your poison. Either Miles is retarded for recruiting Harris in the first place or he's retarded for keep on forcing Harris to do something he's CLEARLY not comfortable doing.
And if you watched him play at all, the majority of his success has come out of the spread formations. So I'm not gonna fault the kid for looking bad on just 3rd downs or when we're already 24 points down bc miles/cam want to run out of the I up the middle 20 damn times to open every game.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:11 am to DVinBR
For years Bama & LSU dominated the SEC West running a pro style offense and having stout "NFL size" and like defenses. These spread - no huddle "hurry up" offenses like Gus Malzahn's were designed specifically to compete with teams when they have better talent and size than you do.
This formation does narrow the gap between the teams and it only takes one guy to miss an assignment or tackle for a very big play.
I watched the AU game again and what's missing is one on one tackles being missed this year versus made last year. Everybody has to perform at 100% for a defense to stop this offensive attack.
I say mold the offense to the players we have now, not what we "want" to run. Cam Cameron's strengths were supposed to be matching offense to talent, but I'm still waiting to see it.
For example, where are the throws to TE's, or backs out of the backfield a la' Ray Rice. LF would dominate in the open field, but we don't get him there. That guy has great hands and speed.
This formation does narrow the gap between the teams and it only takes one guy to miss an assignment or tackle for a very big play.
I watched the AU game again and what's missing is one on one tackles being missed this year versus made last year. Everybody has to perform at 100% for a defense to stop this offensive attack.
I say mold the offense to the players we have now, not what we "want" to run. Cam Cameron's strengths were supposed to be matching offense to talent, but I'm still waiting to see it.
For example, where are the throws to TE's, or backs out of the backfield a la' Ray Rice. LF would dominate in the open field, but we don't get him there. That guy has great hands and speed.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:14 am to Barry Badrinath
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Oh yea, you can also run out of the spread.
urban meyer won two titles using the spread and his qb won the heisman
the spread works in the SEC. it just has to be efficient.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:15 am to Tigerik
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I say mold the offense to the players we have now
miles recruits two spread mobile QB's to run an I formation, under center 1-2 WR set offense.
it doesn't make sense.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:18 am to gene_parmesan
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you both sound like morons. did it ever occur to you that by the time harris started throwing it, LSU was already down 17? Auburn knew exactly what LSU was going to do and adjusted accordingly.
yep, i'm a moron. 1st series, second down. what was that play? are you calling a fumble snap from center a run?
Second Series-second down, when he turns the wrong way, what was that play? it's run because he didn't know the play.
Third series-second down, dural runs a out and go, harris throws the out and almost picked off. what was that play?
the qb is 3-15 for 58 yards (56 of the 58 came on one play). so you have 14 pass plays that total 2 yards. Yeah, let's throw the ball more, we can't complete a pass but lets throw it.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:19 am to biglego
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It shouldn't take three years to break in a new QB.
No, it shouldn't.
But it WILL take 3 years to completely redesign the offensive strategy to one that the fans have been begging for.
Y'all asked for it, and now you're going to get it. You just can't expect it to completely change over the course of just one spring training and a summer camp. For one thing, you're still trying to win games in the interim of installing the new offense. We've had 5 years of basically B1G football. You can't just go all West Coast at the drop of a hat.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:22 am to Tigerik
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where are the throws to TE's, or backs out of the backfield
Over their heads.
If you want to have the TE, WRs and RBs catching the ball, you have to have the QB put it where they can catch it. Rarely can you expect a true freshman QB to come in and do this right away.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:25 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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you have to have the QB put it where they can catch it.
Apparently this is the most often missed conclusion from the auburn game. Our QB play was awful.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 9:29 am to StormTiger
notice only 6 in the box there. we should run that formation more often and run LF out of it up the middle as well. safeties will have to stay back with Harris in there
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