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How much roux for 5 gallons of gumbo?

Posted on 10/4/14 at 7:26 am
Posted by rouxgaroux
DFW TX
Member since Aug 2011
637 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 7:26 am
How much roux/chicken/sausage is needed for 5 gallons chicken/sausage gumbo? Also how many people does that feed if it is the main dish served with rice?
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 10/4/14 at 7:34 am to
Stock to roux ratios in gumbo vary from about 20-1 (soupy) to about 6-1 (stew). Using a 10-1 ratio, I'd say about 6 1/2 cups of flour for the roux.

15 pounds of meat
4 gallons stock
5 1/3 pounds rice

That should make about 40 16oz servings.

These numbers are from the experimental Gumbo Calculator I made. so take it with a grain of salt.
This post was edited on 10/4/14 at 7:39 am
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
52212 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 7:48 am to
This recipe is in the Recipe Book. It makes around 50 quarts, so you might consider cutting the volumes in half as a guide for what you want. It's generally an extrapolation of a Prudhomme recipe. Works well.


Large Chicken and Andouille Gumbo Recipe for a crowd

Ingredients:
30 qts chicken stock(we made our own)
Dark roux made from 12 cups each of flour and Canola oil
10 lbs onions, fine diced
6 bell peppers, fine diced
3 bunches of celery, fine diced
6 bunches green onions, fine chopped
2 bunches flat leaf parsley, minced
5 lbs orka, fine diced
garlic, didn't measure
@20 bay leaves
Black pepper, salt, and red pepper to taste
2 small jars of file'
13 lbs Andoullie and smoked sausage(we had 10lbs smoked and 3 lbs. of Jacobs)sliced and then cut into 1/4's
40 lbs of chicken, cooked and deboned, then sliced into 1/4 inch chunks(I roasted 30 lbs of hips and floured and fried 10 more lbs. Took the skin off of all beforehand.)

Method:
We made the roux in 2 batches and sautéed all vegetables in the roux. The rouxs were dark chocolate and turned black as we hit them with the veg. mixture (trinity plus okra, garlic came a bit later)...made for a pretty gumbo. We browned the sausage beforehand (I used an oven) to render the fat, then set it aside. Added the roux and veggies to the stock and brought to a boil, then reduced to a simmer. Added the sausage and went 30 minutes. Added the chicken and went another 30 minutes. After this, we added the green onions and parsley and cut the fire. Added the file' at this time. We began to add seasonings when we added the sausage...I didn't measure but just seasoned to taste. The product sat for about two hours before we reheated and served. The texture and taste were very good. This made @50+ quarts.

Posted by heypaul
The O-T Lounge
Member since May 2008
38296 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 8:08 am to
Good god that would feed an army!
Or everybody at the deer camp.
Posted by CHEDBALLZ
South Central LA
Member since Dec 2009
23103 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 8:39 am to
Id go with 5 cups flour/roux and no more than 7
Posted by rouxgaroux
DFW TX
Member since Aug 2011
637 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 8:57 am to
Ched & Rat I read alot of ya'll post and seem to know what your talking about on other things so I will go in the middle of both recommendations. Going with 6 cups

Also where is the gumbo queen when u need her sleeping in (gris gris)
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
10096 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 9:06 am to
quote:

Id go with 5 cups flour/roux
The amount of flour and roux are not the same. A cup of flour will absorb enough oil to swell up to 1 1/3 cups of roux.
Posted by LSUballs
RayVegas LA
Member since Feb 2008
39913 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 9:15 am to
It varies depending on the amount and brand of peanut butter you use.
Posted by rouxgaroux
DFW TX
Member since Aug 2011
637 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 9:29 am to
So your saying I shouldn't go with equal parts of 6 flour 6 oil?

I almost forgot about the peanut butter thanks for reminding me I like using the crunchy
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
52212 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 9:31 am to
You should start with 5 and 5 for the size you're doing...you are about to stray into the Cajun Stew Zone, where you may be lost forever...
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
Member since Feb 2008
49636 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 2:23 pm to
The darker the roux, the thinner the gumbo, so I make more roux than I think I need and add it until I like the texture which is one where there's body and it's not close to a stew. I made a very dark roux.

If I'm making it Paul Prudhomme style with fried skinless chicken, I end up using less roux because the flour on the fried chicken is a thickener, as well. I tend to use more roux for roasted/smoked chicken or turkey gumbo.

Keep in mind that if you're going to add okra, it will thicken the gumbo more and you could end up on the stew side. Factor that in if that's what you're doing.

PP uses 1/2 cup flour to 1/2 oil for 7-10 cups liquid for the fried chicken gumbo. I tend to go 10 cups liquid for that one.

I'm not much of measurer, though. I eyeball it. If I have extra roux, I just use that for a gravy or something else.

For servings, no less than 12 oz per person. If you're not having much else with it, people could come back for seconds. Men, usually. Most bowls won't hold more than 12 oz plus rice or whatever you're putting in it.

PP's chicken and andouille recipe is below. Nice guide for measurements. I use a pound of andouille per recipe, though. I like sausage more than the chicken.

LINK


Posted by Btrtigerfan
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 10/4/14 at 2:34 pm to
Is started a 5 gallon gumbo last night. I used 4 cups duck fat to 5 cups flour. I used the oven method for the first time. About 4 1/2 hours later, it was "almost" the color I wanted. At about midnight, I pulled it and finished it on the cooktop. When I added the onions, it sort of exploded. Big mess. I started ladling in the rich stock I had made. It was thickening great. Once I added the stock, I tasted it. It was burned. I let the roux go too far.



I am making a new stock now. I will try the oven method again and let it go the whole way in there. I will add veggies a little at a time.

Live and learn.
Posted by John McClane
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 10/4/14 at 2:48 pm to
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
Member since Feb 2008
49636 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 2:53 pm to
You should have let it go in the oven the entire way. You got it too hot when you added the onions. They have fluid in them. They will pop all over the place if added to a roux that's too hot and all at once. I turn off the roux and move it off the hot burner, even with gas, to add the trinity. If I've cooked it in the oven, it's been just fine as far as temp.
Posted by Btrtigerfan
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Posted on 10/4/14 at 2:58 pm to
Thanks for the advice Gris.
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
Member since Feb 2008
49636 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 3:10 pm to
Sorry it didn't turn out the first time. That's frustrating! Makes you want to cry.

Large roux in the oven takes a LONG time. Have to have patience and don't start late in the day.
This post was edited on 10/4/14 at 3:11 pm
Posted by Btrtigerfan
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 10/4/14 at 3:15 pm to
quote:

That's frustrating! Makes you want to cry.


I wish I had known before I wasted all of those onions and that stock. That was where the work went into it. I'm making a new stock with chicken wings. It won't be the same, but it'll be close.
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
Member since Feb 2008
49636 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 3:20 pm to
Wings and necks make a nice stock. I like roasting them a bit.
Posted by rouxgaroux
DFW TX
Member since Aug 2011
637 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 3:27 pm to
Dark roux added slowly to boiling stock. Still about a 1/4 layer floating on top not sure why its still not devolving. I will continue to boil for 1/2-1hr b4 adding meat
Posted by rouxgaroux
DFW TX
Member since Aug 2011
637 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 3:29 pm to
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