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re: 97 hours of consensus

Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:23 am to
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:23 am to
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So the temperature isn't rising now, in an unprecedented way?
For the last 17 or so years... it hasn't been rising at all.

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No one will actually say this, they just stand in the tree & throw poo.
You haven't even asked a "scientific" question. You've not defined the timescale, temperature rise, baseline, or even what "unprecedented" means. Are you talking raw slope? Slope over what period? A 5 year period? A 100 year period? 10,000 year period?

I thought you wanted to talk about this in scientific terms... you can start at any time.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:30 am to
scorncr by "consensus"

What a stupid fricking idea. Let's look at where their funding comes from.
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:38 am to
Are we really still talking about MBH98 in tyool 2014

I mean if you're going to dust off ancient tropes from ClimateAudit you could at least bring up the not-quite-as-old M08 paper and the not-quite-as-moldy talking points about Korttajarvi or whatever
Posted by Tigah in the ATL
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2005
27539 posts
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:44 am to
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For the last 17 or so years... it hasn't been rising at all.
ok got you down.
Posted by Vegas Bengal
Member since Feb 2008
26344 posts
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:46 am to
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But I'm glad the poliboard bigot started this thread.


Those steroids are frying your brain. You didn't start this thread.

Btw, wanted to ask, have the Nazis pulled you over yet for driving while on your phone?
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 9/10/14 at 1:01 am to
Someone explain this bigot thing to me. What did Tigah do to rustle Bengal's jimmies, and what did he say that was supposedly bigoted? (I'm not buying that the two are one and the same, because almost every poliboard poster has probably said something bigoted.)
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57520 posts
Posted on 9/10/14 at 1:10 am to
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Are we really still talking about MBH98 in tyool 2014
Have I mentioned it?

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I mean if you're going to dust off ancient tropes from ClimateAudit you could at least bring up the not-quite-as-old M08 paper and the not-quite-as-moldy talking points about Korttajarvi or whatever
Nope. But it was a nice try at erecting a starwman. You shouldn't put arguments into others' mouths'. It's not only rude, but dishonest. *yawn*


This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 1:12 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57520 posts
Posted on 9/10/14 at 1:13 am to
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ok got you down.


Still waiting for you to quantify the terms...
Posted by Tigah in the ATL
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2005
27539 posts
Posted on 9/10/14 at 1:24 am to
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What did Tigah do to rustle Bengal's jimmies,
I spin him up in general.

I used the word zipperhead (which my engineer used to describe any idiot) Corp B knew it was slang for north Koreans. So he "got me." It's pretty much his parrot line at this point. I think a naval officer kicked his dog once.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124713 posts
Posted on 9/10/14 at 5:43 am to
quote:

Are we really still talking about MBH98 in tyool 2014

I mean if you're going to dust off ancient tropes from ClimateAudit you could at least bring up the not-quite-as-old M08 paper and the not-quite-as-moldy talking points about Korttajarvi or whatever
I thought we were talking about the cartoonist turned pretend scientist in the OP.

OTOH, since you raised the issue, is the temperature rising now, in an unprecedented way? . . . e.g., by comparison to any number of points elsewhere in the past mega-annum?
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36129 posts
Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:23 am to
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Tigah in the ATL


You do understand, the more facts you present the denialists -the more they will deny? Like any conspiracy theorist, factual evidence against their argument is actually evidence of a larger conspiracy.
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 6:24 am
Posted by Hooligan's Ghost
Member since Jul 2013
5217 posts
Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:35 am to
what exactly is the evidence/contention? that the earth (surface temperature) has warmed 1 and 1/2 degree in the last 150 years.

Are the quoted scientists also saying that has never happened in the history of the earth before?

Another question do you think that you empirically observe this 1.5 degree rise? Feel the temperature increase on your skin? see the sea levels rise? observe more weather "incidents"?
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:44 am to
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I used the word zipperhead (which my engineer used to describe any idiot)


Good to see you still like top use racial slurs, bigot.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:48 am to
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I think a naval officer kicked his dog once.
you were never an officer, bigot.

Gonna lie about your service too?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40257 posts
Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:55 am to
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You do understand, the more facts you present the denialists -the more they will deny? Like any conspiracy theorist, factual evidence against their argument is actually evidence of a larger conspiracy


here is a fact, cap and trade doesn't work. Come up with different solutions and then I will think about listening.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89810 posts
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:11 am to
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there isn't even a problem


A few tenths of a degree celsius is not worth killing millions of people.
Posted by chadau79
Daphne, AL
Member since Sep 2009
3413 posts
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:41 am to
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A few tenths of a degree celsius is not worth killing millions of people.


Sure it is, as long as it is the right people that die. The ruling elite will make sure that only the perpetrators are punished for their actions.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119611 posts
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:52 am to


...this style is so patronizing. These guys in their ivory tower research labs.

I believe Tigah in the ATL's real motivation is that he has a daugher in the GW promoting field. So there is some self interest here.
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 9/10/14 at 8:18 am to
These quote bubbles are a little laughable for someone to pass as scientific consensus. I am actually open to seeing what the correct answer is in regards to global warming. I'm willing to listen to the facts. I just don't think there are many out there. I think there are some on the right that do politicize the issue and will look to disprove any arguement from those that believe global warming is caused by man, and I think that is irresponsible. But at the same time, when "climate change scientists" get together for 97 hours of concensus and not a single quote that you've posted actually shows quantifiable facts, there's a big problem on that side of the arguement as well. They are all stating their conclusions and posting them as facts. They may be facts, but you need to back them up with what brought you to that conclusion. I never see that from those on that side of the arguement without caviats of them making assumtions and disregarding heaps of data, because it is an outlier that does not support their argument. You have to use all of the data. In your conlcusion you can state why you believe that is an outlier, but there is too much information that is ignored. I just don't believe anyone.

I can't tell you how many times I modified data in my engineering labs so that I could get my output to match what was supposed to happen according to texbooks. It made it A Lot easier to make my report match the expected conclusions. I knew it was very wrong, but I knew what the answer was supposed to be and knew that if I manipulated the data in a certain way I could get the desired outcome. I think these scientist already have come to the conclusion that climate change is man made and they are doing just like I did in college. Except they don't look at it as wrong, because they believe it is for the good of the planet.
Posted by NukemVol
Member since Jan 2010
1637 posts
Posted on 9/10/14 at 8:23 am to
I don't believe they are wrong. But before they reach into my pockets, I would like them to actually predict something with their models. Not just fudge them until they look like they predicted something.

That's on the science side. No matter what their consensus is on that, I know with 100% fact that their solution will be for government to screw everybody who refuses to fill up their bank accounts (both the politicians and the researchers).
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