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Posted on 8/2/14 at 11:22 am to Pectus
Young Val Kilmer bears a resemblance to Donald "Cowboy" Cerrone.
To the OP: It's doubtful you could extract anything useful out of that scene to understand who should've done what. There's probably a couple of actual dogfighting concepts employed in the creation of the scene, but the scene (as I remember it) is more a mashup of various points of view. If you could view the presumed scene from the ground you might be able to dissect everyone's role the way a coach dissects a football play in the film room. But I don't think that'll work with the movie... it would be like a football coach having nothing but footage from two or three helmet cams on the field to gameplan with.
If you're really inclined to study, google "aerial dogfighting tactics" or similar, read up a couple pages, then re-watch. You may learn more that way than just accepting a dogmatic response like "stick with your wingman". Fundamentals and dogma are important in becoming the best in a given field... but then again, part of our cultural mythology is to appreciate the genius of the hero who knows when to creatively/instinctively abandon fundamentals-- hence the popularity of successful rule-breaking characters like the almost unironically named Maverick, Capt. Kirk, etc.
To the OP: It's doubtful you could extract anything useful out of that scene to understand who should've done what. There's probably a couple of actual dogfighting concepts employed in the creation of the scene, but the scene (as I remember it) is more a mashup of various points of view. If you could view the presumed scene from the ground you might be able to dissect everyone's role the way a coach dissects a football play in the film room. But I don't think that'll work with the movie... it would be like a football coach having nothing but footage from two or three helmet cams on the field to gameplan with.
If you're really inclined to study, google "aerial dogfighting tactics" or similar, read up a couple pages, then re-watch. You may learn more that way than just accepting a dogmatic response like "stick with your wingman". Fundamentals and dogma are important in becoming the best in a given field... but then again, part of our cultural mythology is to appreciate the genius of the hero who knows when to creatively/instinctively abandon fundamentals-- hence the popularity of successful rule-breaking characters like the almost unironically named Maverick, Capt. Kirk, etc.
Posted on 8/2/14 at 11:23 am to epbart
What's going on in this thread
This post was edited on 9/24/20 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 8/2/14 at 11:24 am to elprez00
Do you even know what the hard deck was?
That's pretty frickin important for this argument.
That's pretty frickin important for this argument.
Posted on 8/2/14 at 11:24 am to CHEDBALLZ
I dont know the answer to this but I do know that my 4th grade teachers husband flew in Top Gun. His dad owned an air service company in Houma.
I know that guy, his call sign is Organ. I think he did some flying in "The Final Countdown" too.
I know that guy, his call sign is Organ. I think he did some flying in "The Final Countdown" too.
Posted on 8/2/14 at 11:26 am to 777Tiger
My dad's boss was a Top Gun instructor and flew one of the jets in the movie
Posted on 8/2/14 at 11:26 am to 777Tiger
I'm guessing he never broke any major rules of engagement.
Posted on 8/2/14 at 11:36 am to 777Tiger
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his call sign is Organ.
Wonder how he got that one?
Posted on 8/2/14 at 11:38 am to East Coast Band
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Please tell me you don't watch Top Gun for the beach volleyball scene.
Yeaaaa - playin' with the boys baby.
Can you imagine that conversation with Kenny Loggins? We need you to record this really gay song for all male volleyball scene of this really gay movie.
Posted on 8/2/14 at 11:41 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Wonder how he got that one?
last name is same as a musical instrument manufacturer, sometimes there's not a great depth of imagination when assigning call signs
used to fly with a guy whose last name is Hope -call sign "Noah," they really had to dig deep to come up with that one
Posted on 8/2/14 at 11:44 am to BRgetthenet
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he never broke any major rules of engagement
Cleared to engage... my heart
Posted on 8/2/14 at 11:49 am to 777Tiger
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last name is same as a musical instrument manufacturer, sometimes there's not a great depth of imagination when assigning call signs
I thought you were going to tell me he had a huge dick
Posted on 8/2/14 at 11:53 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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I thought you were going to tell me he had a huge dick
nah, he was Navy
Posted on 8/2/14 at 11:53 am to elprez00
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Yeah but I'm sure that scenario is a pretty common one in aerial combat. I was wondering what they actually should do there.
It creates a daisy chain of sorts.
Posted on 8/2/14 at 12:30 pm to nc14
Maverick would go into evasive engagement mode.
That and find the softest spot of earth to place his jet because once an adaquate enemy gains your six, you're fricked anyway.
I could throw lots of dogfighting jargon around but it all boils down to how good said pilots are in the engagement.
A big part of the Top Gun curriculum now is evading enemy radar and getting you and your WO or EWO out of a bind. But there are G-Limits and harddeck/ceiling limitations on maneuvers for safety reasons.
That and find the softest spot of earth to place his jet because once an adaquate enemy gains your six, you're fricked anyway.
I could throw lots of dogfighting jargon around but it all boils down to how good said pilots are in the engagement.
A big part of the Top Gun curriculum now is evading enemy radar and getting you and your WO or EWO out of a bind. But there are G-Limits and harddeck/ceiling limitations on maneuvers for safety reasons.
This post was edited on 8/2/14 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 8/2/14 at 1:11 pm to elprez00
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So my question is: What should Maverick had done there?
Posted on 8/2/14 at 1:14 pm to ZereauxSum
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My understanding is that most IRL dogfights in the jet age have been short turning fights where you are trying to make a smaller turn radius than the other guy on order to get in a shot.
True up through the Vietnam era. The infrequent AA combat since then has mostly been one guy getting a missile off before the other guy knew he was there.
Posted on 8/2/14 at 1:16 pm to Jim Rockford
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True up through the Vietnam era. The infrequent AA combat since then has mostly been one guy getting a missile off before the other guy knew he was there.
Boom.
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