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re: When soccer was first conceived, invented, codified, whatever...
Posted on 7/6/14 at 3:42 pm to Rex
Posted on 7/6/14 at 3:42 pm to Rex
I certainly don't want changes to appeal to the seemingly basic American mindset that thinks American football, basketball or baseball are boring if the least bit of defense is played. I'm overjoyed those people don't follow the game.
All the radical changes non-fans always propose to increase scoring would usually diminish most of the things fans love most about the game.
That said, I would be for 2 subtle changes in the way the game is often officiated without changing any "rules" at all:
1) In the rulebooks, benefit of the doubt on offsides should go to the attacking player. In practice this seems to happen about 1/10 times.
2) I would be for an effort to call fouls a bit tighter and also more consistently giving yellows for cynical fouls even/especially if it's early in a match.
All the radical changes non-fans always propose to increase scoring would usually diminish most of the things fans love most about the game.
That said, I would be for 2 subtle changes in the way the game is often officiated without changing any "rules" at all:
1) In the rulebooks, benefit of the doubt on offsides should go to the attacking player. In practice this seems to happen about 1/10 times.
2) I would be for an effort to call fouls a bit tighter and also more consistently giving yellows for cynical fouls even/especially if it's early in a match.
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Posted on 7/6/14 at 3:43 pm to Rex
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This post was edited on 6/11/23 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 7/6/14 at 3:44 pm to StiffDewsAreTheWorst
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Rex;dr
Posted on 7/6/14 at 3:46 pm to constant cough
I don't understand the bitching about the lack of scoring but I hear nothing about an NFL game ending 14 to 10 or some score like that.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 3:47 pm to Rex
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Is this the game you really want?
If it will keep people like you away, yes.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 3:48 pm to Rex
If by "practice them up a bit" you mean spend a decade of intense training, then you might have a valid point of discussion worth pondering. If you mean spend two or three months, then you do not understand the differences in balance and movement skills needed to perform well in the sport as compared to those athletes' primary sports.
As to the original question, which point in history are you referring to? The origins of the game, the point when official rules were codified, the beginnings of the World Cup and other such higher-level international competition, the implementation of the most modern nuances of rules? As has been already stated, the game has changed over time.
As to the original question, which point in history are you referring to? The origins of the game, the point when official rules were codified, the beginnings of the World Cup and other such higher-level international competition, the implementation of the most modern nuances of rules? As has been already stated, the game has changed over time.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 3:52 pm to CrazyTigerFan
Yeah I'm not sure why people think you could take american football players and turn them into soccer players. They can't even do that with rugby and it's more similar to football than soccer is.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 3:52 pm to itawambadog
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I don't understand the bitching about the lack of scoring but I hear nothing about an NFL game ending 14 to 10 or some score like that.
If that were the average score there'd be a LOT of bitching.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 3:53 pm to CrazyTigerFan
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This post was edited on 6/11/23 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 7/6/14 at 3:53 pm to cattus
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more to the game than just goals
meh, I would compare it to a form of baseball where ONLY home runs count for points.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 3:53 pm to Rex
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If that were the average score there'd be a LOT of bitching
Go make another paper tiger.
This post was edited on 7/6/14 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 7/6/14 at 3:54 pm to Rex
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Yes, just yes. America's most talented athletes are playing something else. It's silly to think Tyrann Mathieu or Darren Sproles or Desean Jackson wouldn't be as good or as fast with their feet as those players on the USMNT.
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If 50 million people believe a foolish thing it is still a foolish thing.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 3:56 pm to Rex
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If that were the average score there'd be a LOT of bitching.
Take away the extra points, make a touchdown worth 2 and a field goal worth 1 then the games wouldn't seem that high scoring.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:02 pm to TheIrishFro
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Fast I'll agree with, but as good? We'd have a team stacked full of Robbie Findley's
Exactly. Rex cannot be serious. What a cursory understanding if the sport.
Messi isn't the best because he's Lebron's size. Pirlo doesn't succeed because he is more athletic than everyone else. Suarez doesn't win the golden boot because of his sheer muscle size. Sterling isn't one of England's most promising young players because he benches 10 tons.
Why are American's so obsessed with the idea that athleticism is necessary for success in this sport? Technicality trumps athleticism 12 out of 10 times in soccer.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:05 pm to CrazyTigerFan
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If by "practice them up a bit" you mean spend a decade of intense training, then you might have a valid point of discussion worth pondering. If you mean spend two or three months, then you do not understand the differences in balance and movement skills needed to perform well in the sport as compared to those athletes' primary sports
It would be like saying, take our best football players and "practice 'em up" and they could be great defenders in the NBA. We might not be great shooters, but it would be tough for people to score on us.
Or, take our best athletes and "practice 'em up" and they could be great returners of serve in tennis. Might not be able to serve an ace, but no one could get one past us.
Or, take our best athletes and "practice 'em up" and they could be fantastic defensive baseball players. Might not could hit the ball, but it would be tough for others to score on us.
Do any of those make sense? If so, you have a failed perception of the athletic skill necessary to execute a given sport. If not, you have a grossly incomplete understanding of the requirements of defending in soccer.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:06 pm to Rex
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It is my true belief that you could take America's best athletes who have never previously played soccer, practice them up for a bit, send them out on the soccer field, and they'd be lights out on defense.
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“I wish you all can see the skill it takes to play FUTBOL,even with my speed these guys still make me look like s–t on the pitch #seriously,” Ochocino wrote on Twitter on Thursday. (Those dashes were ours, not his.)
Ochocinco was noticeably tired at the end of his first day and said he “ate the humble pie” during his tryout. The Kansas City Star said Ochocinco struggled to keep possession of the ball during 11-on-11 drills.
LINK
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:07 pm to Rex
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Can you appreciate that a lot of Americans (i.e. most) are turned off by soccer because of a lack of scoring?
The world doesn't care what America thinks
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:10 pm to Rex
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:18 pm to cigsmcgee
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he Kansas City Star said Ochocinco struggled to keep possession of the ball during 11-on-11 drills.
I specifically said DEFENSE, but we're getting away from the original question.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:24 pm to Rex
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It is my true belief that you could take America's best athletes who have never previously played soccer, practice them up for a bit, send them out on the soccer field, and they'd be lights out on defense. They may not score, and probably wouldn't, but they'd be just about as good as anybody else on defense.
No.
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