re: Rand Paul Says Jesus Wouldn’t Like the GOP’s Taste for War

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Well the first Gulf War we killed 20-25,000 Iraqi soldiers alone. So even if we don't include civilians, that's quite a number.

My guess would be we killed even mores soldiers in the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq II. Add in "The Surge" and I don't think you're even close.

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I don't feel like looking it up because I don't really care if Obama is #1 and Dubya is #2, or vice versa. They're both horrible in this regard. Horrible.

If someone wants to take the time to look it up on an unbiased website I'm sure the information is readily available.

It's not really available. The US doesn't do body counts. We've seen estimates of over 100k in Iraq. I see there's an actual body count of 7299 civilians in 2003 alone. Tommy Franks estimated around 30,000 Iraqi soldiers.

Just makes sense. When you're invading a country and overrunning an enemy, you're going to kill many more times people as you will killing "insurgents" even with collateral damage.

IMO Obama doubled down in Afghanistan because he didn't want what is happening in Iraq now to happen in Afghanistan under his watch. The sad thing is it will happen no matter how much more we fight. Both exercises in nation building were doomed for failure.

And while he has killed quite a number of "brown people" by drones and other ways, the same folks here and elsewhere who say he hates America and is a Muslim sympathizer criticize his droning. Go figure.

I'm tired of this guy's self-righteousness. If you believe in voter Id or think drugs should be illegal, you're a racist. If you think America must militarily intervene from time to time in situations, you hate Jesus. Ridiculous.

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We were 73%

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We weren't 73% of the allied casualties. Based on the number of allies killed in action, the breakdown was more like 60%/40%, and my assumption is that the folks who were doing the dying were the ones doing the killing.

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he was the prince of peace, you know, we’re talking about "blessed are the peacemakers," not "blessed are the war-makers."

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There's a good bumper sticker in this quote.

Rand is right and the truth he speaks is going to make a lot of people uncomfortable. As bad as the republicans are with war, this doesn't excuse the abomination of a foreign policy the Obama administration has put out.

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Clinton, Reagan, LBJ, JFK, Nixon, Dubya, Obama...when it comes to war is there a bit of difference between any of them? There's not as far as I can see.

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I think Obama has a chance to distinguish himself if makes peace with Iran.

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I think he has distinguished himself as the man who has droned more countries than any other human in history

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If Nixon had drones, where do you think he would have ranked?

I haven't read the thread, but I agree with Rand Paul. The GOP needs to transition away from the mindset that has been evidenced by people like John "I never met a war I didn't like" McCain.

America is headed down the road to destruction. We need to focus on our own problems, or else we will soon be in a position where we won't even be able to police the world, anyway.

I don't know if it has been mentioned, but historically speaking the Democrats have started most of our country's wars. Maybe they could've used a Rand Paul from time to time, too.

As for Obama, one thing I won't call him is a warmonger. His problem is that he's overwhelmed by foreign policy, primarily because his resume doesn't contain any experience that would equip him to be our CIC.

Of course, he balances that out by sucking at domestic policy, too.

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