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re: Rand Paul Says Jesus Wouldn’t Like the GOP’s Taste for War
Posted on 6/28/14 at 7:50 pm to L.A.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 7:50 pm to L.A.
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Clinton, Reagan, LBJ, JFK, Nixon, Dubya, Obama...when it comes to war is there a bit of difference between any of them? There's not as far as I can see.
I notice you didn't mention Ike, Bush 41 and Carter, who I think were more noninterventionist when it came to foreign policy, but of the ones you mentioned, I think Obama has a chance to distinguish himself if makes peace with Iran.
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Posted on 6/28/14 at 7:52 pm to trackfan
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I think Obama has a chance to distinguish himself if makes peace with Iran.
I think he has distinguished himself as the man who has droned more countries than any other human in history
Posted on 6/28/14 at 7:56 pm to Wolfhound45
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Please, don't. I would appreciate that you respect this request.
Please don't what? Rand Paul wanted to make a point about Jesus; I say with a simple quote that he didn't consider every angle.
If you don't like a discussion on the topic you shouldn't be in the thread.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 7:57 pm to joshnorris14
quote:He is proud of that fact as well.
I think he has distinguished himself as the man who has droned more countries than any other human in history
Posted on 6/28/14 at 7:58 pm to joshnorris14
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I think he has distinguished himself as the man who has droned more countries than any other human in history
There's no doubt about that. He'll have to answer for it when he goes to meet his maker.
This post was edited on 6/28/14 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 6/28/14 at 8:02 pm to Rex
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Please don't what? Rand Paul wanted to make a point about Jesus; I say with a simple quote that he didn't consider every angle.
I am asking you to demonstrate kindness and consideration regarding someone I consider my Lord and Savior. Someone I love dearly.
It is as simple as that.
Thank you.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 8:12 pm to trackfan
I have had a healthy dose of disdain for this guy, for a long time. It grows stronger each time I read or hear another of his asinine remarks. What makes him think he knows what Jesus would think? I would prefer he keep his " thought provokin" thoughts to himself. He is beginning to sound nuttier than his dad
Posted on 6/28/14 at 8:12 pm to trackfan
That quote represents what both Rand and his father represent and it's what I admire about them. And it's why I've said Rand will never win the nomination. Unless of course he sells out. And the nomination for the Republican Party candidate has proven to be impossible for an outsider to win. The comments here against his quote will be what he hears from the mainstream of the party.
What would be interesting is if he ran as a 3rd party candidate and did so early on organizing on all 50 states. My guess is he'd get a sizable following. The problem he'd face is his backers are not geographic like Wallace for instance which allowed him to carry states but instead like Perot where he'd get a good percentage but not necessarily carry states.
What would be interesting is if he ran as a 3rd party candidate and did so early on organizing on all 50 states. My guess is he'd get a sizable following. The problem he'd face is his backers are not geographic like Wallace for instance which allowed him to carry states but instead like Perot where he'd get a good percentage but not necessarily carry states.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 8:19 pm to trackfan
If you follow the links here is the entire quote
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When people come to me and they’re lobbying for ratcheting up some sort of bellicose policy towards one country, even if it's a bad country, I tell them that and when I read the New Testament, that when I read about Jesus, I don’t see him involved, he wasn’t really involved with the wars of his days. And, in fact, people rebuked him for not being [what] they wanted. They wanted somebody to stand up to the Romans. He stood up in a different sort of way, but he didn’t organize coalitions and guerrilla bands and arm them. Now I'm not saying that you shouldn't have people who want to defend against evil, bad forces around the world, but I think you need to remember that he was the prince of peace, you know, we’re talking about "blessed are the peacemakers," not "blessed are the war-makers."
Posted on 6/28/14 at 8:20 pm to Vegas Bengal
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That quote represents what both Rand and his father represent and it's what I admire about them. And it's why I've said Rand will never win the nomination. Unless of course he sells out. And the nomination for the Republican Party candidate has proven to be impossible for an outsider to win.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 8:26 pm to Vegas Bengal
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If you follow the links here is the entire quote
Thank you. Still disagree with how he incorporated evangelical Christians into his comment, but it does provide context.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 8:35 pm to trackfan
quote:Intentional.
I notice you didn't mention Ike, Bush 41 and Carter
quote:I have a hunch that Obama has killed more brown people and more Muslims than any of the other presidents I mentioned. That's how he has distinguished himself.
but of the ones you mentioned, I think Obama has a chance to distinguish himself if makes peace with Iran.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 8:37 pm to Zach
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political issues
No..... not political. In fact he separated the 2. You would have been more correct to say social issues.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 8:38 pm to L.A.
You think he killed more people than Gulf War I and more than the invasions of Afghanistan and Gulf War II?
Posted on 6/28/14 at 8:39 pm to LaFlyer
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Interesting, could you give more details please. Not doubting you just a different take.
It's Old Testament Jewish history. God formed the Jewisj nation with Abraham and he ( God) was their king. Then the Jews saw all their neighbors had earthly kings and they wanted one too. Saul was their first king, followed by king David. David was a military king that killed many men and his armies conquered many lands.
The coming messiah was to be a decendent of king David and the Jews were expecting him to come
back and militarily reestablish Israel as a powerful nation.
When Jesus came as a peaceful spiritual messiah instead of a warrior king, they rejected him not realizing his plans for Israel were meant to be spiritual more than Earthly.
This post was edited on 6/28/14 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 6/28/14 at 8:40 pm to Vegas Bengal
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in fact, people rebuked him for not being [what] they wanted. They wanted somebody to stand up to the Romans
I would differ on this and so does the New Testament , as well as the Jews.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 8:43 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:He presided over Afghanistan and Iraq II. Plus with the drone strikes, yeah I think he's killed more.
You think he killed more people than Gulf War I and more than the invasions of Afghanistan and Gulf War II?
Posted on 6/28/14 at 8:49 pm to L.A.
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I have a hunch that Obama has killed more brown people and more Muslims than any of the other presidents I mentioned. That's how he has distinguished himself.
Fair point, but W has still probably killed more based on the initial invasion of Iraq. However, I have to concede that it will take a helluva lot of peacemaking for Obama to atone for his drone policy.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 8:49 pm to L.A.
Well the first Gulf War we killed 20-25,000 Iraqi soldiers alone. So even if we don't include civilians, that's quite a number.
My guess would be we killed even mores soldiers in the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq II. Add in "The Surge" and I don't think you're even close.
My guess would be we killed even mores soldiers in the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq II. Add in "The Surge" and I don't think you're even close.
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