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Posted on 2/11/18 at 12:07 pm to
Posted by Buck Strickland
Arlen, Texas
Member since Sep 2017
155 posts
Posted on 2/11/18 at 12:07 pm to
@Perry-Cheers. I downloaded them from Dropbox. I'll take a closer look this evening, but I am sure they will be helpful.

@hannat-I'll shoot you an email this evening.

Thanks to all.
Posted by DieDaily
West of a white house
Member since Mar 2010
2644 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:41 am to
I don't know if anyone else here is considering the Data Analytics concentration and was considering taking HCAD 750 (Healthcare Informatics) next term, but I recently noticed that Archibald Alexander is no longer listed as the professor for the class, at least not for the MBA version. Archibald is still listed for the MHA flavor, however.

I guess I'm happy about this because Archibald had terrible reviews on Rate My Professor but no instructor is assigned to the course yet. MyLSUS says "TBA" and if you look at the course page on Moodle, it has Tracie Fraley assigned as the teacher, but that's one of LSUS's graduate student advisors. I have to assume she's there as a placeholder.

Anyway, I thought I'd mention it in case someone was interested in taking HCAD 750 and Archibald scared them off. LSUS could, of course, assign an equally terrible instructor to teach the course, but maybe now there's a glimmer of hope the class won't be a dumpster fire.
Posted by fishee2
Member since Oct 2017
29 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:51 am to
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Haven't heard much from the Williams MADM 701 folks. How is it going?


Well its the same routine every week, 1,000 word assignment, 50 question test, 2 posts in the forum. I have been hit by the same APA point deductions on the assignments, my content is great but I had a title capitalized when I shouldn't have. I'm sorry but give me a break, isn't the content what matters? Test questions can be vague, a lot of "match the 5 theories with a description" type of questions. I am pretty sure I'll be getting my first B, this being my 7th class, so you can imagine my feeling on this course and prof.
Posted by ashl3yc0x
Member since Aug 2017
79 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:26 am to
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Haven't heard much from the Williams MADM 701 folks. How is it going?


What's your guy's class average. Our exam averages are at 74%... I am holding onto an A, but barely. I cannot believe I might get my first B in the MBA program. Same as Fishee2, this is my 7th.
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 11:12 am
Posted by DieDaily
West of a white house
Member since Mar 2010
2644 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:39 am to
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What's your guy's class average.

Exam 1: 78%
Exam 2: 83.8%
Exam 3: 77.4%

And the average of those is 79.7%. She hasn't shared the results of exam 4 yet but I suspect it will be about the same as the above. I didn't find it any more or less challenging than the previous exams.

Sounds like if I was recommending an instructor to someone for MADM 701, I'd go with Tami Knotts. At the very least, it sounds like we have more variety in our assignments and our exams are a little easier. I still don't think this is a very good class, though, and the textbook is terrible.

1 figure form chapter 7 and 2 figures from chapter 8 are referenced in the text but no where to be found in the actual book. I emailed our TA to ask if we would be expected to know them for the exam. 2 days later she responded to my inquiry at 7 PM. I completed by exam at 6:45 PM.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 9:41 am
Posted by ashl3yc0x
Member since Aug 2017
79 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:43 am to
I think the make or break comes from the TA you have... thank god I am getting decent grades on all the papers and posts. My exam scores are not great.
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 11:12 am
Posted by craig_miamifl
Member since Jul 2017
111 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:02 am to
I'd recommend Knotts for MADM701 if on the fence who to take. Exams haven't been too bad overall thus far. Outside of Module 3 exam I thought they've done a good job going over a lot of the main concepts.

I can't comment on other MADM TAs but K.WIlliams has been pretty straight forward as long as following the grading rubic.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 10:14 am
Posted by SkipDigs
PA
Member since Aug 2016
65 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 10:48 am to
Based on my experience with Knotts and reading experiences with the alternatives, I too would recommend Knotts' class for MADM 701. That said, I do think the text should be taken out of circulation immediately. It needs to be edited and the lack of references diagrams is inexcusable. I emailed my TA and the response was the description of what the diagram is. Uh OK. How about include a clip of the diagram in the email. These diagrams are supposed to help us understand the concept. The book should be complete. My grade depends on it.
Posted by AstroTiger
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Oct 2007
22966 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 11:04 am to
Based on the changes in the program that I have experienced over the last year in addition to what I have read here, I'm not sure that I would recommend this program to others anymore. They are in complete disarray. The textbook situation is a nightmare. The teaching/grading is inconsistent, oftentimes within the same class. I'm glad I'm on the back side of this with just a couple courses to go.
Posted by ashl3yc0x
Member since Aug 2017
79 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 11:10 am to
@Astrotiger
I am considering just letting go of my 4.0 and keep my sanity.
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 11:11 am
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
75278 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 11:33 am to
Keen and totally spot on observation. I wholeheartedly agree with you. Take a look at some of the previous posts from late 2015 to early-mid 2016...seems like a completely different program. I’m proud of what I accomplished and what others on this board have done, but one does have to wonder about the viability and vigor of this program going forward.
Posted by DieDaily
West of a white house
Member since Mar 2010
2644 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:21 pm to
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Take a look at some of the previous posts from late 2015 to early-mid 2016...seems like a completely different program.
Okay.
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AmosMosesAndTwins- 1/13/16: The grading in 720 was really inconsistent. It was impossible to figure out exactly what was wanted for discussions. Looking back, my suggestion is to relate the topics to personal experience more than anything. Sources are required, but it seems like the discussions I spent the most time on and supported with additional sources were the lowest grades.

AmosMosesAndTwins - 4/4/16: Agreed w Paul Allen on MADM 751 if you have the opportunity to take w Meeks - probably my favorite course in my program.

Paul Allen - 4/26/16: Just completed MADM 751. Great course with a great professor (Meeks)

DC213 - 5/5/16: MADM 720, Dr. Mabry has assistants doing the grading and they are all over the place. You need to make substantive forum posts with citations, etc. or they will duck a lot of points.

Paul Allen - 8/21/16: Shaughnessy's alright. My least favorite and most difficult course in the program.

Lovereal - 9/5/16: Some classes at LSU are just too much. Econ., IDS and MKT case load of work will be the downfall of this program.

socal77 - 9/15/16: I'm working on my case study for MKT701 right now. Wow, it's a lot of work. So grateful I took this class by itself.

lsusports - 11/3/16: [Re: MADM 701 w/ Williams] I had a 50/50 on Monday, but she apparently changed my grade. She sent another email out last night saying she basically fired one of the teaching assistants, which was my teaching assistant, so I have no feedback on what to correct on the next one. I'm not getting a good vibe from this teacher, hopefully it gets better.


Sounds like a utopia. Wait, no. Actually it sounds like the same crap we are complaining about today.
- Professors' over reliance on teaching assistants
- Teaching assistants having inconsistent grading and not providing any feedback.
- Teaching assistants mysteriously disappearing mid-class.
- You either like Shaughnessy or don't know why people do.
- ...and Meeks is awesome.

As you become more familiar with something, you will begin to see its flaws more clearly. That goes for anything. I am, however, not on board with this textbook nonsense. That is, admittedly, a new wrinkle that has been introduced since the "glory days" of the program.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 12:23 pm
Posted by ashl3yc0x
Member since Aug 2017
79 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:44 pm to
quote:

As you become more familiar with something, you will begin to see its flaws more clearly. That goes for anything. I am, however, not on board with this textbook nonsense. That is, admittedly, a new wrinkle that has been introduced since the "glory days" of the program.


I think the difference has a lot to do with the free textbooks and no longer using Cenage to work through problems. That was such an amazing resource!
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 11:11 am
Posted by hannat
Southern California
Member since Jun 2017
50 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:32 pm to
@Perry - You are the best, thank you so much for sharing!
@ Buck Strickland - You don't need to email me, the spreadsheet that Perry shares has everything you need.
Posted by DieDaily
West of a white house
Member since Mar 2010
2644 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:11 pm to
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I think the difference has a lot to do with the free textbooks
This is a problem. I agree. Ironically, the first time I encountered a crappy text book was in Meeks' 760 class. They misspelled the word "College" in the first chapter. I was so dumbfounded I had to take a picture and share it with my friends. The book was full of errors like that. However, he provided enough additional content that I still really enjoyed the course.
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no longer using Cenage to work through problems. That was such an amazing resource!
YMMV but I thought Cengage was fine...when it worked. It went down on 3 separate occasions during my first course in the program, the accounting pre-req. I thought, "Well, this sucks but I bet it's just a fluke for this class." I had to use Cengage again for the core accounting class 2 sessions later, which was taught by Ambrosio. You might remember me mentioning a few pages ago that there were technical problems with the final in that class which forced Ambrosio to allow people to simply not take the final exam. That was because Cengage was completely inaccessible for the last 2 days of the course.
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I'm sure these easy courses are now more difficult since the exams are proctored as well.
Oh, I'm sure but it hasn't changed much for me so far. I've always studied for these exams as if I wouldn't have access to my notes or textbook, mostly because I'd like for some of this content to stick in my brain and I feel like studying in that manner might be the only way given how short the courses are. (Also, I'm a much bigger fan of Proctorio than ProctorU.)

I'm not trying to be argumentative but I think there are some pros and cons for all of the aspects of this program and online programs in general. My wife did an online BSN through another Louisiana college and had a lot of the same complaints I have of LSUS. Is the program going down hill? Maybe. I don't know. It doesn't seem much different to me. I feel like we're all looking at a painting that's 1 inch from our faces and this forum is a way for us to talk about what we're seeing. Maybe the consensus will be "Yes" but I'm offering my 2 cents.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 2:15 pm
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
75278 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:36 pm to
well said. Someone needs to fix the textbook problem.

Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
75278 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:38 pm to
Cengage was great for ACCT 705
Posted by ashl3yc0x
Member since Aug 2017
79 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:11 pm to
Your input has always been welcomed DieDaily, I don't feel you are being argumentative at all! :)
This post was edited on 2/13/18 at 10:08 am
Posted by DieDaily
West of a white house
Member since Mar 2010
2644 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 5:16 pm to
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Your input has always been welcomed DieDaily, I don't feel you are being argumentative at all! :)
Posted by SkipDigs
PA
Member since Aug 2016
65 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 5:35 pm to
Perhaps one of the issues is that the program is growing too fast than the school can handle. Maybe lower the acceptance rate, tighten the standards or some combination of both until there are enough instructors in place. Although, given the recent articles I have read about the financial health of the system, I can see that having students flock to the program is a good problem to have. I think my class alone could have generated 230k in revenue for this term. Hiring more instructors could open more sections, allowing fewer students per class and more interaction between faculty and students. That way we could have less pound-the-data into your head weekly tests, (do the mind-dump and repeat) and more skill-building exercises/projects that would allow for more knowledge retention and useful skill building. With smaller sections, the professors would have more time to devote to each student. It does appear more instructors are coming aboard.

What I would not want to see under any circumstances is the program to be watered down or lose credibility. If anything, I want this program build on its reputation and ranking among online MBA programs nationally, which I believe its positioned to do given the right decisions are made.
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