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re: Pels trying to acquire a draft pick
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:05 am to htran90
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:05 am to htran90
keep seeing these statements all over the net that the pels are trying to trade for a 1st round pick...my guess is that the chance of that actually happening is less than 10%
who are the tradeable assets on this roster that would net a 1st round pick?
1) pierre jackson, no way
2) austin rivers, no way
3) jeff whithey, no way
4) ryan anderson...would require taking back salary
5) darius miller, no way
6) jrue, tyreke...same as anderson, and likely untouchable
7) gordon...would COST a 1st to move him
find me a trade that makes sense for both teams that would net the pels a 1st round pick. i dont see it
who are the tradeable assets on this roster that would net a 1st round pick?
1) pierre jackson, no way
2) austin rivers, no way
3) jeff whithey, no way
4) ryan anderson...would require taking back salary
5) darius miller, no way
6) jrue, tyreke...same as anderson, and likely untouchable
7) gordon...would COST a 1st to move him
find me a trade that makes sense for both teams that would net the pels a 1st round pick. i dont see it
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Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:30 am to cgrand
You do realize that late first round picks can be outright bought? Trading for them is not that hard and basically requires someone with an unguaranteed contract.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:37 am to cgrand
I think too many people are seing "1st round pick" and are thinking lottery pick. It's definitely possible that a team in the 25-30 range would give that pick or Pierre. Is it likely? Maybe not, who knows... But it wouldn't be the craziest thing to ever happen.
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 10:38 am
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:00 am to cgrand
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find me a trade that makes sense for both teams that would net the pels a 1st round pick. i dont see it
The Clippers want to to dump Jared Dudley and reportedly are willing to trade their 1st to do it. Melvin Ely ($1.2 million) for sure and I believe Luke Babbit ($900k) have voidable deals. Throw in another $900k or more of voidable contract (Miller?) or maybe they want to S&T for Jason Smith? Any combination of Pelicans scrubs should get the Clippers the cap space or depth they are looking for in return for Dudley and it gets the Pelicans an upgrade at SF in addition to the pick.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:11 am to mm2316
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I think too many people are seing "1st round pick" and are thinking lottery pick. It's definitely possible that a team in the 25-30 range would give that pick or Pierre. Is it likely? Maybe not, who knows... But it wouldn't be the craziest thing to ever happen.
ok
you are the GM of a team in the late 20's
would you trade that pick for pierre jackson? pierre jacksons are available all over the place for nothing
the spurs signed patty mills off the street...
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:13 am to TigerinATL
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The Clippers want to to dump Jared Dudley and reportedly are willing to trade their 1st to do it. Melvin Ely ($1.2 million) for sure and I believe Luke Babbit ($900k) have voidable deals. Throw in another $900k or more of voidable contract (Miller?) or maybe they want to S&T for Jason Smith? Any combination of Pelicans scrubs should get the Clippers the cap space or depth they are looking for in return for Dudley and it gets the Pelicans an upgrade at SF in addition to the pick.
makes sense, but are you saying you'd rather have a late 1st and a washed up dudley than jason smith? i'd rather have jason smith
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:23 am to cgrand
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you are the GM of a team in the late 20's
would you trade that pick for pierre jackson?
That would be hard for me to say right now, because I haven't scouted and evaluated the players that are expected to be there in the late 20s, but I don't see why it isn't at least possible. It isn't like any of those players are guranteed All-Stars, or even lock to make the rosters.
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pierre jacksons are available all over the place for nothing
Easy to say this, but who are the Pierre Jacksons that are "available all over the place" for nothing? I can just easily use your hyperoble and say "there are players of the same caliber of those drafted 26-30 available all over the place for nothing."
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:25 am to cgrand
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are you saying you'd rather have a late 1st and a washed up dudley than jason smith? i'd rather have jason smith
I'm not a huge Dudley fan at all, but I'd rather Dudley and the 1st than Smith, especially if we sign a Center along the lines of Blatche. Say we sign Blatche and keep Anderson, that gives us Davis, Anderson, Blatche, Ajinca, and Withey. Where does (often injured) Jason Smith fit in that rotation?
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:31 am to mm2316
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Easy to say this, but who are the Pierre Jacksons that are "available all over the place" for nothing? I can just easily use your hyperoble and say "there are players of the same caliber of those drafted 26-30 available all over the place for nothing."
well...
lets use a few recent examples
patty mills, danny green, patrick beverley
do i know who the players are that are available NOW for nothing? of course not, but i'm not an NBA scout or GM
pierre jackson is a nobody in NBA terms
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 11:32 am
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:35 am to cgrand
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the spurs signed patty mills off the street...
Any team that thinks they are as good as the Spurs at turning DLeaguers into good contributors would surely have interest in the best DLeaguer of all time, no? I get that you think there's a big disconnect and the team is trying to trade F assets for B assets, but it's really not that wide of a gap. It's more like D for C-, and sometimes a D fits your needs better than a C-, like in the Clippers situation where getting rid of the $4.25 million player that doesn't fit is more valuable than drafting a rookie that wouldn't be able to contribute at a playoff level before Chris Paul's knee falls apart.
Also, a team like Phoenix has 3 1st rounders. Do they really want to add 3 rookies to a team that nearly made the playoffs? I don't really see any of our scrubs that they would have interest in, so there may not be a match there, but the fact that they have 3 1sts (and could have had 4 if the Lakers had been better) can make them value their picks less. The situation changes how much a team values certain assets.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:44 am to cgrand
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makes sense, but are you saying you'd rather have a late 1st and a washed up dudley than jason smith?
Not necessarily, although like mm2316 pointed out, I can see some very likely moves that make Smith no longer fit the roster. I'm pretty curious as to what Demps thinks a late 1st will get him since he allegedly is looking to repackage it rather than use it. The only teams I ever see that seem excited about using pick 25-30 are rebuilding teams that need all the talent they can get. If they don't have talent already, then we wouldn't be getting any back in a trade, although these teams usually have cap space.
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 11:46 am
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:47 am to cgrand
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pierre jackson is a nobody in NBA terms
While I agree, so are the players who will be drafted at 26-30 this year. For the record, I acknowledge Pierre for a late 1st isn't likely, but I just wouldn't be surprised.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:50 am to TigerinATL
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I'm pretty curious as to what Demps thinks a late 1st will get him since he allegedly is looking to repackage it rather than use it.
Same here. I wonder if he has something on the table from another team that said "We'll give you Player X for Player Y and a late 1st." I hope Dell isn't just trying to get a late 1st without having discussions with another team, and then hoping to see what he can get for it afterwards.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:54 am to mm2316
Despite being a playoff team, Charlotte fits the still needing to add talent criteria, plus they will have cap space and Gordon actually plugs a roster hole. If Demps could turn Gordon, the ghost of Stiemsma (Melvin Ely), Miller and Pierre Jackson into Jared Dudley and cap space, I'd be pretty damn happy.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:06 pm to TigerinATL
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Despite being a playoff team, Charlotte fits the still needing to add talent criteria, plus they will have cap space and Gordon actually plugs a roster hole
Everybody always says this. But is Gordon really that big of an upgrade from G. Henderson? Henderson only makes 6M a year. There is no way Gordon is 8M+ a year better than him. I don't think we can sucker them into a deal..
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:07 pm to TigerinATL
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Despite being a playoff team, Charlotte fits the still needing to add talent criteria, plus they will have cap space and Gordon actually plugs a roster hole. If Demps could turn Gordon, the ghost of Stiemsma (Melvin Ely), Miller and Pierre Jackson into Jared Dudley and cap space, I'd be pretty damn happy.
ok that's a good trade, i think?
so in that scenario pels get dudley and clips or charlotte pick, while gordon and the puu puu platter go to charlotte and clips? what would else would charlotte send out? how would you match salaries?
to the trade machine!
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:15 pm to mm2316
I like Tiger's idea here.
Trade Ely, Babbitt, and Miller to Clips for Dudley & 1st
S&T Morrow, Ajinca, Gordon, and 1st from clips to Pistons (may have to part with another 1st) for Monroe
Trade Roberts for 2014 2nd rd pick
Draft a wing (looking at you Antetekuonmpo)
Sign Patty Mills and Andray Blatche
Re-sign Aminu (pairs well with Ryno)
Holiday/Rivers/Jackson
Evans/Mills
Dudley/Aminu/Draft Pick
AD/Ryno
Monroe/Blatche/Withey
Not sure how that works out with cap, but I think that would be a solid well balanced team
Trade Ely, Babbitt, and Miller to Clips for Dudley & 1st
S&T Morrow, Ajinca, Gordon, and 1st from clips to Pistons (may have to part with another 1st) for Monroe
Trade Roberts for 2014 2nd rd pick
Draft a wing (looking at you Antetekuonmpo)
Sign Patty Mills and Andray Blatche
Re-sign Aminu (pairs well with Ryno)
Holiday/Rivers/Jackson
Evans/Mills
Dudley/Aminu/Draft Pick
AD/Ryno
Monroe/Blatche/Withey
Not sure how that works out with cap, but I think that would be a solid well balanced team
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:16 pm to cgrand
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so in that scenario pels get dudley and clips or charlotte pick, while gordon and the puu puu platter go to charlotte and clips? what would else would charlotte send out? how would you match salaries?
Clippers get our voidable scrubs.
Pels get Dudley and cap space
Charlotte gets Gordon, Pierre and #28
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:25 pm to TigerinATL
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@AlexKennedyNBA 2m
Source: The Bulls may trade both of their first-rounders (#16 and #19) for future firsts, to free up cap space for Carmelo Anthony pursuit.
Don't know if it has already been posted but this could be a way to get a 1st rounder.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:29 pm to brmark70816
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But is Gordon really that big of an upgrade from G. Henderson?
Gordon is a much better spot up shooter which is what Charlotte needs with an offensively inept MKG on the wing and Al Jefferson and Kemba needing space on the block. Is he twice the player? No, is he a much better fit? Yes. You are right in that they won't be suckered, Rod Higgins leaving means Jordan decided a competent Rich Cho was better than incompetent yes men, but the fit is there and in the past they traded the same amount of cap space for a 1st in Ben Gordon, the difference this time is Eric Gordon would start for the Hornets. I'm not saying it's a slam dunk, just that the fit is there.
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