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re: Who is the next NBA "Superstar"?
Posted on 6/13/14 at 7:09 pm to RTR America
Posted on 6/13/14 at 7:09 pm to RTR America
Why did they draft that guy in the first place? It was well known that he was overrated in college.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 7:10 pm to RTR America
Ya know, with all of the botched draft picks, you should probably change your sig.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 7:12 pm to RTR America
Yea but still... Grizz have been great. You never know though, not drafting Thabeet could have changed everything. Could be completely different. Domino effect.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 7:15 pm to KG5989
Could have been Harden, Evans, Curry, or DeRozan
all 4 could have made a big difference
What defines a superstar though? Big name? Big endorsement? Or just top 5 player?
Harden is a big name, but his lack of defense holds him back.
Kevin Love and Anthony Davis are climbing up there, but their lack of wins are holding them back.
Griffin is playing 2nd fiddle to CP3 right now in 'stardom'
Curry and Wall are getting up there in name/recognition
George was crowned early MVP for the first 2 months this season and then the monumental collapse
all 4 could have made a big difference
What defines a superstar though? Big name? Big endorsement? Or just top 5 player?
Harden is a big name, but his lack of defense holds him back.
Kevin Love and Anthony Davis are climbing up there, but their lack of wins are holding them back.
Griffin is playing 2nd fiddle to CP3 right now in 'stardom'
Curry and Wall are getting up there in name/recognition
George was crowned early MVP for the first 2 months this season and then the monumental collapse
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 6/13/14 at 7:22 pm to KG5989
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I mean guys improve at different times. Not every player makes that huge leap between 1 year
I never said they don't. How many superstars become one in their 5th 6th 7th years? They generally don't. I guess that's why you are calling me a douche. You really don't know what a superstar is.
Superstars transcend the game, and they do it early in their careers. 2nd, 3rd, 4th years.
John Wall has been in the league 4 years and not gotten much better. if anything, the first thing that comes to mind when his named is mentioned is erratic, or inconsistent. He's more known for the stupid dance than his play on the court.
As for Conley and Lowry, no doubt they have gotten better. Tons of players do. Neither will ever be super stars. Name me a player that has reached super star status in their 9th year? Lowry just had a career year..in his 9th season. I just don't get how these guys have anything to do with the discussion.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 7:32 pm to Lester Earl
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As for Conley and Lowry, no doubt they have gotten better. Tons of players do. Neither will ever be super stars. Name me a player that has reached super star status in their 9th year? Lowry just had a career year..in his 9th season. I just don't get how these guys have anything to do with the discussion.
This guy gets it. I'd argue there are only 3-4 superstars in the league right now: Lebron, Durant, Kobe, and Duncan (he at least was, don't know if he still counts). I think it all really depends on what your definition of a superstar is. I think Paul and Love are close to being top 5 players in the league, and I wouldn't even call them superstars because Paul has never made a conference finals and Love has never even made the playoffs.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 7:36 pm to CunningLinguist
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AD when he leaves the Pelicans for the Lakers
Posted on 6/13/14 at 8:16 pm to c on z
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Why did they draft that guy in the first place? It was well known that he was overrated in college.
Our old owner forced them to take him.
It didn't really make much sense because we already had Marc Gasol, who they loved.
We nearly had the Gasol brothers together in Memphis. Apparently the year Marc was elgible for the draft the Grizz called every team in the 2nd round trying to find a way to draft him and could never make a deal.
Our GM comes on the radio every week, so this is where I pick these odd stories. For example the Grizz having a trade in place with the Pacers that would send them OJ Mayo for Josh McRoberts and their 1st round draft pick (which turned into Kawhi Leonard), but the Pels were the 3rd team in the deal and pulled out at the last second.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 8:26 pm to mjw60532
yea, that was my next question? how many superstars does he think are in the NBA?
Cause it seems he's being pretty liberal with that title
along with the ones youve mentioned, id prob throw in Derrick Rose, Carmelo, and maybe Dwight Howard into the mix. CP3 is def a superstar in my eyes. So in conclusion, there are maybe 10 in the whole league.
Cause it seems he's being pretty liberal with that title
along with the ones youve mentioned, id prob throw in Derrick Rose, Carmelo, and maybe Dwight Howard into the mix. CP3 is def a superstar in my eyes. So in conclusion, there are maybe 10 in the whole league.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 8:30 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
Kevin Love when he gets to Boston.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 8:33 pm to htran90
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Griffin is playing 2nd fiddle to CP3 right now in 'stardom'
He's also the face of one of the NBA's biggest sponsors and has been for a few years.
I hate BG, but he definitely a superstar.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 8:37 pm to Lester Earl
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John Wall has been in the league 4 years and not gotten much better.
You do realize how much of an absolute mess the Wizards were post Gilbert Arenas right? John Wall has improved every year and so has the roster.
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if anything, the first thing that comes to mind when his named is mentioned is erratic, or inconsistent.
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Corner three-pointers are one of the best value propositions in the NBA as the league makes almost 40 percent of them as a whole. More than 95 percent of made corner 3s this season have been assisted, the highest such number anywhere on the court. John Wall leads the NBA in corner three-point assists with 109, followed by LeBron James with 89 and Goran Dragic with 66. Kyle Lowry and Chris Paul rank fourth and fifth.
He played 2 of the best defenses in the NBA in the playoffs and still managed this:
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 6/13/14 at 8:38 pm to Fun Bunch
Lillard
Embiid
And I'll go with a kid that about to be a freshman in college Emmanuel Mudiay...remember the name whenever he gets to the NBA
Embiid
And I'll go with a kid that about to be a freshman in college Emmanuel Mudiay...remember the name whenever he gets to the NBA
Posted on 6/13/14 at 8:39 pm to KG5989
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I personally dont think a superstar has to be a household name. People who dont give a frick about basketball and rarely watch only see what the media portrays and pumps up. And I dont really care who the media pumps up. They pump up average players like they are superstars and at the same time they neglect great players and fail to give them the attention they deserve. IMO, being a superstar is all about being a great player and successful and has nothing to do with being a household name, especially to the people that dont give a frick about bball.
Well, you're wrong. A Superstar is so good they transcend the sport.
Otherwise they are a star, which is still damn good.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 8:40 pm to mjw60532
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. I'd argue there are only 3-4 superstars in the league right now: Lebron, Durant, Kobe, and Duncan (he at least was, don't know if he still counts).
If you count a guy who hasn't played significantly in a year or more, with an inferior career, it is hard not to include Duncan.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 8:47 pm to RTR America
Why did you post his regular season averages but then used his per 100 poss averages in the playoffs?
16/7 while shooing 37% with a 14 PER in the playoffs
Anyway, those numbers don't really show much improvement if you take in to account his minutes and attempts.
try this one
Wall is a good player. How does he stack up against Russell Westbrook, who most would say is a lot closer to super stardom than Wall is
16/7 while shooing 37% with a 14 PER in the playoffs
Anyway, those numbers don't really show much improvement if you take in to account his minutes and attempts.
try this one
Wall is a good player. How does he stack up against Russell Westbrook, who most would say is a lot closer to super stardom than Wall is
Posted on 6/13/14 at 8:48 pm to JohnnyKilroy
LeBJ
Durant
Westbrook
Paul
Griffin
Love
Carmelo
D12
Kobe*
Rose*
Wade*
Dirksus*
Bosh (was, not anymore)
*Aging, hurt
Waiting to break through:
Harden (not sure where to put him)
AD
Kyrie
Wall
Curry (almost there)
Aldridge (Timmy-like numbers, in his prime now)
Future:
Wiggins
Parker
Randle (may be too workmanlike)
Okafor ( )
Thon Maker (will rape and pillage the NBA)
Forgot about Kemba Kinte, throw him into the waiting list.
Durant
Westbrook
Paul
Griffin
Love
Carmelo
D12
Kobe*
Rose*
Wade*
Dirksus*
Bosh (was, not anymore)
*Aging, hurt
Waiting to break through:
Harden (not sure where to put him)
AD
Kyrie
Wall
Curry (almost there)
Aldridge (Timmy-like numbers, in his prime now)
Future:
Wiggins
Parker
Randle (may be too workmanlike)
Okafor ( )
Thon Maker (will rape and pillage the NBA)
Forgot about Kemba Kinte, throw him into the waiting list.
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 6/13/14 at 8:56 pm to Sellecks Moustache
No Lilliard? No Noah Vonleh? No Marcus Smart?
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:02 pm to RTR America
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John Wall has improved every year and so has the roster.
yea, barely. He'll be a superstar by the time he is 35 is he keeps up this pace.
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He played 2 of the best defenses in the NBA in the playoffs and still managed this:
He shot 36% in the playoffs. That is abysmal
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:03 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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He's also the face of one of the NBA's biggest sponsors and has been for a few years.
I hate BG, but he definitely a superstar.
If you put BG as a superstar, you have to put CP3 as well. Get what I mean? People were excited about the clippers after his rookie year, but the moment CP3 came it was like giving a fat kid chocolate cake.
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