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Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:43 pm to illuminatic
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Yep. frickers pass every polygraph I give them.
Obviously I mean if you have had communication with one of these folks over an extended period of time have you noticed that they are dishonest?
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:47 pm to DanTiger
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I have had limited dealings with people from the Eastern Bloc in my lifetime and so I have not experienced this first hand. Do those people tend to lie in order to manipulate situations morso thn Westerners do? It is generally pretty obvious to tell when an American is not telling the truth even without a polygraph.
I don't want to generalize too much, even though this obviously involves a certain amount of generalization. I think the best way to describe it is that they have a certain coldness to them that would make it more difficult to detect dishonesty. Westerners are dishonest all the time, but you're considered a good liar if you can stare someone down and lie, knowing that it will cause harm to the person. I'd say that raw "ability" is more common with eastern bloc folks.
They don't all make use of that skill, obviously, but even those who aren't dishonest nonetheless frequently have an affect or demeanor that would facilitate it well. Just a general coldness or harshness.
I will note that I've encountered plenty of instances of warmth from such folks, but I wouldn't describe many as having an overall "warm" demeanor.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 1:01 pm to DanTiger
Think of how Russians and Chinese have been governed over the past 70 or 75 years. Telling someone what they want to hear could be the difference between life and death.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 1:15 pm to DanTiger
quote:Not true.
Apparently only Easterners and Psychopaths are able to lie on the polygraph and pass.
Polygraphs are TERRIBLE tests. They have a sensitivity of 80-85% and specificity of about 80%.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 1:16 pm to DanTiger
The Russians are generally just cold and ruthless as a whole. They make the perfect spies.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 1:18 pm to Scruffy
Lie Detector accuracy:
Significance & Practical Application
Polygraph testing has generated considerable scientific and public controversy. Most psychologists and other scientists agree that there is little basis for the validity of polygraph tests. Courts, including the United States Supreme Court (cf. U.S. v. Scheffer, 1998 in which Dr.'s Saxe's research on polygraph fallibility was cited), have repeatedly rejected the use of polygraph evidence because of its inherent unreliability. Nevertheless, polygraph testing continues to be used in non-judicial settings, often to screen personnel, but sometimes to try to assess the veracity of suspects and witnesses, and to monitor criminal offenders on probation. Polygraph tests are also sometimes used by individuals seeking to convince others of their innocence and, in a narrow range of circumstances, by private agencies and corporations.
The development of currently used "lie detection" technologies has been based on ideas about physiological functioning but has, for the most part, been independent of systematic psychological research. Early theorists believed that deception required effort and, thus, could be assessed by monitoring physiological changes. But such propositions have not been proven and basic research remains limited on the nature of deceptiveness. Efforts to develop actual tests have always outpaced theory-based basic research. Without a better theoretical understanding of the mechanisms by which deception functions, however, development of a lie detection technology seems highly problematic.
For now, although the idea of a lie detector may be comforting, the most practical advice is to remain skeptical about any conclusion wrung from a polygraph.
Significance & Practical Application
Polygraph testing has generated considerable scientific and public controversy. Most psychologists and other scientists agree that there is little basis for the validity of polygraph tests. Courts, including the United States Supreme Court (cf. U.S. v. Scheffer, 1998 in which Dr.'s Saxe's research on polygraph fallibility was cited), have repeatedly rejected the use of polygraph evidence because of its inherent unreliability. Nevertheless, polygraph testing continues to be used in non-judicial settings, often to screen personnel, but sometimes to try to assess the veracity of suspects and witnesses, and to monitor criminal offenders on probation. Polygraph tests are also sometimes used by individuals seeking to convince others of their innocence and, in a narrow range of circumstances, by private agencies and corporations.
The development of currently used "lie detection" technologies has been based on ideas about physiological functioning but has, for the most part, been independent of systematic psychological research. Early theorists believed that deception required effort and, thus, could be assessed by monitoring physiological changes. But such propositions have not been proven and basic research remains limited on the nature of deceptiveness. Efforts to develop actual tests have always outpaced theory-based basic research. Without a better theoretical understanding of the mechanisms by which deception functions, however, development of a lie detection technology seems highly problematic.
For now, although the idea of a lie detector may be comforting, the most practical advice is to remain skeptical about any conclusion wrung from a polygraph.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 1:19 pm to DanTiger
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Why can people from the East lie so easily with no remorse?
In the Bible, "the east" represents a land that's apart from God's blessing.
Example: Genesis 4:16 - Then Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
Now think again of this verse:
Psalm 103:12 - as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 1:22 pm to theunknownknight
The Bible is a worse book than Fifty Shades.
Also, the US GOVT uses polygraphs for national security clearance.
Also, the US GOVT uses polygraphs for national security clearance.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 1:23 pm to Pettifogger
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people begin to cease thinking of themselves as part of something larger. There is a shrewdness that comes with that, but it can also lead to extreme selfishness and destructive behavior.
The Japanese and Germans and Italians definitely thought of themselves as a part of something larger. Did not avoid destructive behavior, though, to say the least.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 1:25 pm to Scruffy
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Polygraphs are TERRIBLE tests. They have a sensitivity of 80-85% and specificity of about 80%
I hear this often but all of our givernment agencies continue to rely on them. I know the CIA has made some massive mistakes over the years but they are still competent in many areas and they use the polygraph on all Americans and most foreigners when they want to know the truth. Sometimes those who use the product know more thn those who speculate about it. Bodybuilders throughout the 70s claimed that you should eat lots of fat and protein and no carbs in order to get lean and every dietician in the world said they were crazy. They knew it worked because they used it. I believe it is the same with the polygraph.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 1:54 pm to DanTiger
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American Women are probably more skilled liars than any sect of society.
What American Women have going for them is that even if they are terrible liars they will genuinely believe their own lies after a period of time, and thus cease "lying" in their own heads at least.
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