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Democratic entropy acceleration, Detroit style. As documented by Google Earth.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:38 am
Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:38 am
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Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:40 am to GumboPot
on the other hand, you could prolly move in on the cheap
Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:46 am to KeyserSoze999
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on the other hand, you could prolly move in on the cheap
Good point. Market forces are obviously at work and it's not necessarily due to malinvestment. And in keeping with the thermodynamic theme, it's primarily due to that huge Democrat force field that surrounds the city that disallows new energy in and encourages old energy to dissipate.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:50 am to GumboPot
That is amazing. It's like it just melts.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:05 am to GumboPot
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Market forces are obviously at work and it's not necessarily due to malinvestment. And in keeping with the thermodynamic theme, it's primarily due to that huge Democrat force field that surrounds the city that disallows new energy in and encourages old energy to dissipate.
One problem mentioned in one of the earlierst posts is that property taxes remain high because there has been no re-evaluation in a loooong time. High property tax on devaluing property is not a recipe for success :(
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:20 am to Bard
Detroit is in a huge mess. They'll never come out of it..it is mind blowing how such a successful industrial hub fell so fast.
If I were mayor, these neighborhoods would be condemned in their entirety, anyone left in decent tax standing would be compensated fairly, and moved out. City services completely shut off from the area, and a crew of bulldozers would push it all into a pile and a match thrown on it. Cut your losses and start over with a smaller, more manageable city and auction off the empty lots for business growth with tax incentives to attract more business.
If I were mayor, these neighborhoods would be condemned in their entirety, anyone left in decent tax standing would be compensated fairly, and moved out. City services completely shut off from the area, and a crew of bulldozers would push it all into a pile and a match thrown on it. Cut your losses and start over with a smaller, more manageable city and auction off the empty lots for business growth with tax incentives to attract more business.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:57 am to deltaland
I can't even keep looking through these pictures. It's disgusting and absolutely ridiculous that any major city in America could end up like this.
It was a city built by Capitalism and destroyed by Socialism. People should take notes that the gravy train of voting yourselves more money doesn't last forever. Because those who can, will leave you to rot in your own filth.
It was a city built by Capitalism and destroyed by Socialism. People should take notes that the gravy train of voting yourselves more money doesn't last forever. Because those who can, will leave you to rot in your own filth.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:17 pm to Bard
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One problem mentioned in one of the earlierst posts is that property taxes remain high because there has been no re-evaluation in a loooong time. High property tax on devaluing property is not a recipe for success :(
High property taxes are part of that Democrat force field that surrounds the city that doesn't allow energy in.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 1:15 pm to GumboPot
Detroit started seeing an out migration since the riots.....but it could have recovered. The public sector unions would not allow them to restructure their costs or pension obligations and instead lobbied for higher taxes to cover shortfalls. This decreased the economic competitiveness of the city relative to it's suburbs and regional peers while causing reduced property value. This lead to another shortfall as people and businesses started moving outside the city limits. Rinse and repeat about 30 times....with the added dynamic of the entire area not being diversified enough to ride though economic downturns and increased automation in heavy manufacturing.
Try to look at it without hindsight. They made many of the same mistakes other cities did by preparing for residential growth on the supply side, never expecting a problem with demand as FHA loans and interstate highways opened up the suburbs. They built stadiums and schools expecting people to be drawn back to the urban core. They governed in the short term with the expectation that things will improve. People would never stop buying cars right? Why on earth would any of their manufacturing base be drawn to the south or other parts of the mid west? It's the same mindset that never saw a problem with defined benefits and routine labor strikes.
Their big industrial power houses are still humming along. Ford, General Motors, Chrysler (and a host of other transplants) are manufacturing cars in the US today. The auto industry is just not concentrated in Detroit anymore. It's a declining city, but the Detroit metro is still huge....and home to many very attractive suburbs with an assortment of housing options. Changes and advancements in the auto industry was a contributing factor....it was not the cause. Public policy caused the decay you see in Detroit today.
Try to look at it without hindsight. They made many of the same mistakes other cities did by preparing for residential growth on the supply side, never expecting a problem with demand as FHA loans and interstate highways opened up the suburbs. They built stadiums and schools expecting people to be drawn back to the urban core. They governed in the short term with the expectation that things will improve. People would never stop buying cars right? Why on earth would any of their manufacturing base be drawn to the south or other parts of the mid west? It's the same mindset that never saw a problem with defined benefits and routine labor strikes.
Their big industrial power houses are still humming along. Ford, General Motors, Chrysler (and a host of other transplants) are manufacturing cars in the US today. The auto industry is just not concentrated in Detroit anymore. It's a declining city, but the Detroit metro is still huge....and home to many very attractive suburbs with an assortment of housing options. Changes and advancements in the auto industry was a contributing factor....it was not the cause. Public policy caused the decay you see in Detroit today.
This post was edited on 6/9/14 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 6/9/14 at 1:24 pm to deltaland
i can't look at those and not think the exact same thing. the infrastructure is in place, it seems like a developer could be PAID or given significant tax abatement to create a future tax revenue stream. would have to be critical mass, like enough to build an entirely new city though.
*i've never been to detroit, and don't intend to so don't fully appreciate how bad these neighborhoods are.
*i've never been to detroit, and don't intend to so don't fully appreciate how bad these neighborhoods are.
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If I were mayor, these neighborhoods would be condemned in their entirety, anyone left in decent tax standing would be compensated fairly, and moved out. City services completely shut off from the area, and a crew of bulldozers would push it all into a pile and a match thrown on it. Cut your losses and start over with a smaller, more manageable city and auction off the empty lots for business growth with tax incentives to attract more business.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 1:25 pm to GumboPot
But I thought Obama saved Detroit? Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive and all that stuff?
Posted on 6/9/14 at 2:39 pm to GumboPot
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Google Earth
Everyone knows google has an hard on for Detroit because they had a mayor named Bing.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 5:10 pm to GumboPot
What is truly amazing is just how quickly it all happened.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 5:37 pm to Radiojones
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What is truly amazing is just how quickly it all happened.
Not really. This is what all of us with a brain expect when liberals are allowed full control with no conservative input.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 6:21 pm to TheRealDutch
I've seriously considered buying up entire blocks of foreclosed property in Detroit and renovating it to flip it and make money. You can buy those houses at auction for less than a hundred bucks. Find a block in decay somewhat near a stable, nicer neighborhood and completely demolish it and rebuild with some nice houses/apartments or rent out to small business. Offer a low rent for incentive since the property cost next to nothing.
As long as it's close to a nicer area and not in the middle of the slums then you should be able to reverse the trend and attract people there before it's too late.
As long as it's close to a nicer area and not in the middle of the slums then you should be able to reverse the trend and attract people there before it's too late.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 6:28 pm to deltaland
Then do it.
But it's not that simple. Most of the good properties are taken, it would take a large scale gentrification process and you'd have to scoop up more than a few blocks.
It will take time but Detroit will be back if they can get government out of the way. I really liked the idea that Rand Paul was championing about enterprise zones especially in a case like Detroit where it could be a case study of sorts.
But it's not that simple. Most of the good properties are taken, it would take a large scale gentrification process and you'd have to scoop up more than a few blocks.
It will take time but Detroit will be back if they can get government out of the way. I really liked the idea that Rand Paul was championing about enterprise zones especially in a case like Detroit where it could be a case study of sorts.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 7:36 pm to KosmoCramer
I got a friend up there that bought his whole neighborhood back for less than what my new truck cost. He wants to get big enough to grow and sell organic vegetables. He has time being retired and money so more power to him. Last time I went to his place it reminded me of the empty lots in North Baton Rouge infront of Exxon.
I don't see a lot of people moving back or the demand for housing inside the city of Detroit going up unless they attract new industries.
I don't see a lot of people moving back or the demand for housing inside the city of Detroit going up unless they attract new industries.
This post was edited on 6/9/14 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 6/9/14 at 8:29 pm to KosmoCramer
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I really liked the idea that Rand Paul was championing about enterprise zones especially in a case like Detroit where it could be a case study of sorts.
A case study in subsidies? It's a dumb idea and such government intervention (picking winners and losers) is very inefficient.
Let's be real. Detroit is as good as any other city where 80% of the population is of sub Saharan descent.
If you disagree then please show me one that is better.
This post was edited on 6/9/14 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:46 pm to wilfont
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Everyone knows google has an hard on for Detroit because they had a mayor named Bing.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:24 pm to fontell
Maybe they can film the next walking dead series there. They already have the perfect set up for it.
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