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re: Should Arts and Humanities Majors be denied Grants and Loans?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:31 pm to Iona Fan Man
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:31 pm to Iona Fan Man
Why does it matter? She needed the degree to get the job. She was able to spend her college years learning about something that genuinely interests her, and use that degree to be gainfully employed.
There are many more like her, but you're too narrow minded to see it apparently.
There are many more like her, but you're too narrow minded to see it apparently.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:32 pm to Cold Cous Cous
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Lost in the anti-liberal arts rabblerousing is that the % of students getting lib arts degrees has been steadily declining for about 40 years. Yet the general public has this fixed idea that colleges are churning out nothing but transgender studies majors. In fact the most popular degree these days, by far, is general business.
Bingo.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:32 pm to Iona Fan Man
My wife got a French Lit degree from LSU with tons of loans, her father was ill and past before she graduated, and yes she had to start on the bottom. She's never ever missed a payment. She makes very good money now and is way sharper than most of the business/MBA people she's up against.
I think it makes you stronger to study what you love. Hell, I studied physics and that's not immediately valuable to anyone.
I think it makes you stronger to study what you love. Hell, I studied physics and that's not immediately valuable to anyone.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:32 pm to LNCHBOX
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I think my wife would have I retorted those numbers better than him.
150k/15k=10
it's a way of presenting data that I was showing ca be done with bias.....the two of you need to keep up,you are slowing the class down.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:33 pm to Freauxzen
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general business
As worthless as an art degree
Eta: IMO
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:33 pm to Vegas Eddie
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English majors with a focus in technical writing make good money
Friend of mine does this for Deloitte. He's pulling down $200k at thirty-three and is on their partner track. He's also a charismatic Jew.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:34 pm to The Third Leg
You're asking the wrong person. My very first response in this thread was a simple "No" in regards to the OP's question.
My second response noted that a liberal arts degree has value.
However, I can see why LA majors can have trouble competing in an ever more technical world. It's not like computer science and math majors don't get taught "how to think" as well.
My second response noted that a liberal arts degree has value.
However, I can see why LA majors can have trouble competing in an ever more technical world. It's not like computer science and math majors don't get taught "how to think" as well.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:35 pm to Vegas Eddie
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general business As worthless as an art degree
Technology Sales. Five year grind, easy path to $150k+ if you're charismatic and smart. Some guys making a million.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:35 pm to Iona Fan Man
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150k/15k=10
No shite, but that's not how you compare those numbers. It's laughable you're even trying to defend that.
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it's a way of presenting data that I was showing ca be done with bias.....the two of you need to keep up,you are slowing the class down.
Oh, so you were a dumbass on purpose. Good job I guess.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:35 pm to Iona Fan Man
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French Literature, Art History, Asian Studies
worth $60k in debt?
You're a pleb.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:35 pm to Freauxzen
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They do, and it really isn't. Perhaps inside of a limited view of knowledge as a product of data and measurement, sure. But that's not knowledge.
I'm being dramatic, but the deemphasis of knowledge is a huge problem throughout education. "Knowing" is simply less important than it ever has been in American education.
I made it through a highly rated public high school, a good public university and a top 10 public law school with minimal exposure to classic literature, very little retention of world history, a very incomplete understanding of US history, and very limited foreign language skills.
Now that's not to say I'm truly limited in those areas, but what I have was not obtained through my education, in large part. But that's what happens when you take literature courses where you spend 18 weeks on three works on obscure japanese feminist literature because the professor has largely unlimited discretion in how to conduct a core world literature course.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:36 pm to Vegas Eddie
quote:quote:
general business
As worthless as an art degree
Eta: IMO
No, no. That's a fact. And many (not all) MBA programs are more of a sham than any A & H degree from a public institution based on cost alone.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:36 pm to The Third Leg
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Friend of mine does this for Deloitte. He's pulling down $200k at thirty-three and is on their partner track. He's also a charismatic Jew.
I know a few good catholic girls making that kind of coin as well
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:37 pm to Vegas Eddie
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general business
As worthless as an art degree
Which is the dirty secret. But look, the real problem is not, and never has been, people who go to respectable colleges and graduate with (any) degrees. The problem is people who probably should be going to Delgado instead getting suckered into taking out loans to go to for-profit colleges from which they never graduate and; even if they did, no one would take their degree seriously.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:37 pm to RummelTiger
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Troll...
my siblings
160k debt theater arts(he waits tables now)
85k debt psychology(she can't get into grad school, low grades)..works at La Boulange(bakery)
I know, we can't save stupid people from themselves.
But I want to keep Entities from abusing their stupidity to get tax payer dollars.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:38 pm to Pettifogger
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I'm being dramatic, but the deemphasis of knowledge is a huge problem throughout education. "Knowing" is simply less important than it ever has been in American education.
Fair point.
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I made it through a highly rated public high school, a good public university and a top 10 public law school with minimal exposure to classic literature, very little retention of world history, a very incomplete understanding of US history, and very limited foreign language skills.
Now that's not to say I'm truly limited in those areas, but what I have was not obtained through my education, in large part. But that's what happens when you take literature courses where you spend 18 weeks on three works on obscure japanese feminist literature because the professor has largely unlimited discretion in how to conduct a core world literature course.
One of the biggest problems with the view of humanities, and yeah I believe this happened. And worse most likely.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:38 pm to Cold Cous Cous
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Which is the dirty secret. But look, the real problem is not, and never has been, people who go to respectable colleges and graduate with (any) degrees. The problem is people who probably should be going to Delgado instead getting suckered into taking out loans to go to for-profit colleges from which they never graduate and; even if they did, no one would take their degree seriously.
Doesn't even have to be for profit, but that is the worst offender. But plenty of kids end up in debt 50k or more for a degree from a pretty bad public or private school.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:39 pm to Iona Fan Man
These kinds of threads are always so off.
I'm sorry you don't see value in people who don't have mechanical robot minds.
I'm sorry you don't see value in people who don't have mechanical robot minds.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:40 pm to The Third Leg
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Technology Sales. Five year grind, easy path to $150k+ if your charismatic and smart. Some guys making a million.
Agree, if your not an idiot and can play the game.... You can make money with any degree. Just need one person to promote you to director/vp level then you can coast from company to company earning a good salary. It's like joining a club
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:41 pm to BayouBandit24
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I'm sorry you don't see value in people who don't have mechanical robot minds.
Can you justify it economically? Should the government invest in liberal arts degrees for tier 3 or 4 schools?
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