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re: Should Arts and Humanities Majors be denied Grants and Loans?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:18 pm to Layabout
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:18 pm to Layabout
You could make the argument that since most colleges have a core curriculum that has the supposed purpose of making well rounded students that (in most cases) you don't need an English major to write the next great novel.
I'm a firm believer in the value of a liberal arts education but it's kind of disingenuous to imply that in today's ever more technical world, an English major from UNO is going to have the opportunities that the computer science major will have, outliers excepted.
I'm a firm believer in the value of a liberal arts education but it's kind of disingenuous to imply that in today's ever more technical world, an English major from UNO is going to have the opportunities that the computer science major will have, outliers excepted.
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Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:20 pm to Layabout
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The next great American novel will be written in business English with a liberal sprinkling of engineering and computer jargon.
I just pre ordered from Amazon, its called "Boring arse Analytical People are Boring" cant wait I'll post a review.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:20 pm to Iona Fan Man
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the Successful English Major would have been unemployed as a Marketing Major?
Why are you trying to tell people what to study? Are you telling me that Marketing is such a complicated concept that an English major can't pick it up?
Because you'd be dead wrong. Diversity of thought is a good thing. Heck, I'd rather have an industrious biology or English major who might have a divergent opinion and took to the Marketing realm, rather than a Marketing major.
The problem is three-fold:
1) Politicians want degrees tied to outcomes for proof for data/value/etc.
2) The general public thinks degree=jobs
3) Employers are too lazy to actually vet potential employees correctly and too short sighted to invest in them, so having a "Marketing Degree," as proof is just an easy out.
It's a mess, but employing measure to limit this is not the answer. Correcting beliefs is.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:22 pm to Walking the Earth
English is a valuable major for one with sociability.
Anyone that believes otherwise is a fricking bird brain.
Anyone that believes otherwise is a fricking bird brain.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:23 pm to Pettifogger
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Means you're effectively putting rails and limitations on knowledge output? Think about that for a second.
This seems premised on the idea that Arts and Humanities programs convey knowledge, which is arguable.
They do, and it really isn't. Perhaps inside of a limited view of knowledge as a product of data and measurement, sure. But that's not knowledge.Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:23 pm to Iona Fan Man
My wife got a sociology degree and makes above average money for people her age and with her commission probably more than a lot of posters here. Generalizing the potential of someone based on their chosen major isn't particilarly smart.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:23 pm to Iona Fan Man
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Also, I want to see as a %
1 million BUS majors
25,000 art history
150k default in business
15k default in Art History
"study shows bus majors default 10 fold over art history majors"
15% versus 60%
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:24 pm to Iona Fan Man
Troll...
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:24 pm to Brightside Bengal
Because I know alot of attorneys that majored in Poli Sci and most attorneys obviously make bank.
No they don't. Most new law grads are carrying massive debts and have mediocre employment prospects.
A poli sci grad with a 145 LSAT should not be allowed to borrow $150K in govt backed loans to attend a fourth tier law school.
No they don't. Most new law grads are carrying massive debts and have mediocre employment prospects.
A poli sci grad with a 145 LSAT should not be allowed to borrow $150K in govt backed loans to attend a fourth tier law school.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:24 pm to Freauxzen
IMO the point would not only be to funnel students into majors with direct ties to employment, but to force universities to enhance the value of their liberal arts offerings.
Good, rigorous liberal arts education is an excellent thing. Too bad programs are dominated by fluff and don't convey the attributes we associate with a classical liberal arts education.
Good, rigorous liberal arts education is an excellent thing. Too bad programs are dominated by fluff and don't convey the attributes we associate with a classical liberal arts education.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:25 pm to Freauxzen
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Are you telling me that Marketing is such a complicated concept that an English major can't pick it up?
Lost in the anti-liberal arts rabblerousing is that the % of students getting lib arts degrees has been steadily declining for about 40 years. Yet the general public has this fixed idea that colleges are churning out nothing but transgender studies majors. In fact the most popular degree these days, by far, is general business. 
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:26 pm to Cold Cous Cous
Also shitty
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:26 pm to Lakeboy7
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The next great American novel will be written in business English with a liberal sprinkling of engineering and computer jargon.
I just pre ordered from Amazon, its called "Boring arse Analytical People are Boring" cant wait I'll post a review.
George R. R. Martin did okay with his journalism degree.....a Journalist is a paid gig....an Englishist is not.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:26 pm to The Third Leg
Are there any majors that are not valuable for people "with sociability"?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:26 pm to Freauxzen
Freauxzen,
There is literally one option to complete the task at hand while maintaining our current educational structure. This option is to broaden the social contract and make undergraduate studies completely free of charge, like in Europe.
Good luck
There is literally one option to complete the task at hand while maintaining our current educational structure. This option is to broaden the social contract and make undergraduate studies completely free of charge, like in Europe.
Good luck
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:26 pm to sean5340
Well that's embarrassing for Kash. I think my wife would have I retorted those numbers better than him. And she's a dumb woman
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:27 pm to Pettifogger
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IMO the point would not only be to funnel students into majors with direct ties to employment, but to force universities to enhance the value of their liberal arts offerings.
Good, rigorous liberal arts education is an excellent thing. Too bad programs are dominated by fluff and don't convey the attributes we associate with a classical liberal arts education.
Exactly. I'm a very big proponent of overhauling A & H or LA departments into a more flexible and worthwhile degree with interdisciplinary work and more valuable degree outcomes.
But for that kind of change business must be on board to open up their hiring practices a bit.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:28 pm to Walking the Earth
Being smart and charismatic is valued, regardless of degree. So why should your education be unsubsidized for being such a person?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:29 pm to Iona Fan Man
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English Major
English majors with a focus in technical writing make good money
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:29 pm to LNCHBOX
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My wife got a sociology degree and makes above average money for people her age and with her commission probably more than a lot of posters here. Generalizing the potential of someone based on their chosen major isn't particilarly smart.
whats her job?
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