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re: watch kip holden lie.....
Posted on 5/15/14 at 3:00 pm to LSURussian
Posted on 5/15/14 at 3:00 pm to LSURussian
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And you said Rainey didn't lie.
Liar.
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Posted on 5/15/14 at 3:00 pm to Sprocket46
It's not clear that Kip went out and single handedly recruited the hospital to join the mall. They BRAC and BRAF along with Kip approached the Mall. That could mean that BRAC and BRAF initiated the whole thing and asked Kip to come along.
IF he did in fact lie however, the effects of that lie are minimal. The effects of Rainey's lie were far more prevalent.
IF he did in fact lie however, the effects of that lie are minimal. The effects of Rainey's lie were far more prevalent.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 3:02 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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It's not clear that Kip went out and single handedly recruited the hospital to join the mall. They BRAC and BRAF along with Kip approached the Mall. That could mean that BRAC and BRAF initiated the whole thing and asked Kip to come along.
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IF he did in fact lie however, the effects of that lie are minimal. The effects of Rainey's lie were far more prevalent.
Part of me wants to hear you explain this. But, you are so over the top dishonest, it just gets old.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 3:03 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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The effects of Rainey's lie were far more prevalent.
Which is what?
Posted on 5/15/14 at 3:06 pm to moneyg
How am I dishonest? I don't like that anyone has lied or used racial slurs or physically threatened people. I like Kip Holden but I don't like that he may have lied.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 3:10 pm to Sprocket46
I'm gonna give you a little Info about all this.. There wasn't any backdoor deals, there was only information which both sides are smart enough to decipher...the real reason is simple.. The uncertainty of St George and what that meant to these businesses and the assurance that infrastructure was still a priority for that area.
This post was edited on 5/15/14 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 5/15/14 at 3:10 pm to Sprocket46
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Which is what?
How about causing mass panic regarding the potential invalidation of the petition which caused dozens of people to complain to the metro council for hours wasting everyone's time. It created more discourse in the entire community and made people think the City leaders were trying to take away the voice of the SG citizens which was just not the case. It could have led to the council not approving the annexation either. These are profound impacts from Rainey's lie.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 3:11 pm to LSURussian
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Oh, that's right.
you are damn right, I'm right.
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You said he didn't lie, he just 'stretched the truth.'
I did say that. And, I noted that, IMO, it was a calculated move to try and stall the incorporation vote. For you to pretend that I said anything else is just as dishonest.
Meanwhile, Mickey is literally in this thread, despite the video to the contrary saying it's not clear that the hospital was approached by Kip.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 3:13 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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How am I dishonest?
This thread is one of a thousand examples of you being intellectually dishonest.
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I like Kip Holden but I don't like that he may have lied.
May have lied?
Posted on 5/15/14 at 3:22 pm to moneyg
Selective outrage at its finest.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 3:25 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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and made people think the City leaders were trying to take away the voice of the SG citizens which was just not the case
If you don't believe this is what happened you're more dense than I thought.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 3:28 pm to Sprocket46
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Did anyone actually doubt that the city approached the property owners?
Seriously, get over the loss.
Let's go over the two options:
1. Best case scenario he lied. That means the mayor, no doubt backed up with powerful shady forces like BRAF and BRAC have enough power to compel large retail businesses and land owners to bend to his will. In other works, Baton Rouge stacked; St. George fricked.
This is best case.
2. Worst case is he didn't lie. If you open your eyes you just might realize that a rational analysis by business interests reveal that they do not want St. George.
In this case either the incorporation effort will wither and die without the support of the business community (actually, this would be a good outcome as it would allow you to refocus on education) or if somehow still incorporation happens, businesses will be suffer. Unless you think your economic analysis is superior to those choosing to be annexed (hint, it's unlikely).
I have posted it before and do so now again: the incorporation effort is stupid and a wasteful distraction. Return to the original focus on schools.
I will now add you need to lose Rainey and Bodi as your leaders. Find others to step up (or do so yourself).
Posted on 5/15/14 at 3:30 pm to moneyg
quote:Technically you didn't 'say' it. But you did write it. I guess I'd better be more specific before you claim you didn't write it: you did enter it into some type of electronic device that was connected to the internet and displayed on this board. Let's see if you can parse those words.....
he just 'stretched the truth.'
I did say that.
Is it a moral victory of some kind for you if you can believe any of the businesses that were annexed did not initiate the contact with the city? Are you that desperate now?
The bottom line is those businesses did NOT want to be in St George even if the odds were such that St George would not happen anyway.
And those businesses got what they wanted from the CP council....by an overwhelming 9 to 3 vote. Not the 'close' 7-5 vote that many SG true believers were predicting as recently as earlier this week.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 3:32 pm to BigJim
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. If you open your eyes you just might realize that a rational analysis by business interests reveal that they do not want St. George.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 3:34 pm to Sprocket46
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If you don't believe this is what happened you're more dense than I thought.
Rainey is the one who said the annex may invalidate the petition. Now he said it probably wont. You think the metro council did this to stop the vote based solely on something Rainey said and has now recanted.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 3:36 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:He didn't say 'may.' He said it WOULD invalidate the petition.
Rainey is the one who said the annex may invalidate the petition.
He said it so many times that citizens making their plea to the CP council to not annex the properties were repeating his words almost verbatim.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 3:40 pm to BigJim
First, I think the leaders of the SG incorporation are doing as good of a job as anyone could do under the circumstances.
But the opposition to SG has nothing to do with the leaders of incorporation. BR wants SG tax money. Period. The SG movement could be led by a Democrat, a Republican, an MBA, an engineer, a high school dropout, a Muslin, a short guy, a black guy, a fat guy, a woman, or a guy who wears overalls, and the same people who oppose it now would oppose it then because they don't want to SG tax money to go away.
But the opposition to SG has nothing to do with the leaders of incorporation. BR wants SG tax money. Period. The SG movement could be led by a Democrat, a Republican, an MBA, an engineer, a high school dropout, a Muslin, a short guy, a black guy, a fat guy, a woman, or a guy who wears overalls, and the same people who oppose it now would oppose it then because they don't want to SG tax money to go away.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 3:44 pm to tdg
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BR wants SG tax money. Period.
1. "SG tax money" doesn't exist because SG isn't a thing. It's an idea.
2. The Mall of Louisiana and that area was never associated with the school drive or the incorporation drive. Rainey has no legit claim to that property just because he drew a line on a petition.
3. Yes, it's about tax dollars. SG wants the taxes from the mall and the casino. That's why their petition included all of that. BR is trying to avoid a Parish budget deficit.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 3:46 pm to LSURussian
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He said it so many times that citizens making their plea to the CP council to not annex the properties were repeating his words almost verbatim.
Peggy Gonzales was probably the worst of that group.
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