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re: Loston or Sunseri? smh...
Posted on 5/11/14 at 1:15 pm to partywiththelombardi
Posted on 5/11/14 at 1:15 pm to partywiththelombardi
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Loston and Freak were nothing more than players who peaked in High school against inferior competition. Give it up.
Yep. And, as an LSU fan, that was pretty obvious. I hate to say it, but it is true.
Would rather a guy like Ego Ferguson over Freak any day. But, I must say that I liked Loston personally. He always played hard and kept working. Still, he just wasn't as fluid as he needed to be. Big drop off at safety over the past few years from Taylor/Reid to Loston and Eugene or Collins.
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Posted on 5/11/14 at 1:17 pm to CocoLoco
Just giving a opinion to justify the pick me personally wouldn't have drafted him.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 1:19 pm to Tiger Nation 84
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Posted by Message Tiger Nation 84 Loston or Sunseri? smh... Still can't believe we picked Sunseri, dude is lame as frick. Loston has way more ceiling than this clown.
Not from what I saw this year. If Loston would have tested better athletically, I think someone would have taken him despite a not so good season last year.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 1:20 pm to AlaTiger
Ferguson has unreal size and showed a knack for blowing up plays. He got gassed pretty quick but he could likely be a two down DL in the league pretty quick.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 1:21 pm to bonethug0108
quote:If that's the case I would have taken Loston because he is definitely not afraid of sticking somebody.
If he makes this team it will be on special teams play. We don't need another safety and with Byrd, Vaccaro, and Bush it's unlikely the 5th safety would even smell the field on defense unless it's a blowout or for the other reason I won't jinx us with by saying.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 1:41 pm to Tiger Nation 84
I like Loston......but he HAS NEVER lived up to the hype that followed his arrival at LSU.
Speed and agility: probably push
Ball Skills: Sunseri
Tackling: Loston.....but Sunseri isn't afraid to stick his hat in there.
Football IQ: Sunseri.....and it's not close. Loston was CONSTANTLY out of position during his collegiate career.....can't read defenses.
Sunseri is a coaches son who is always in the right place.....that is due to being able to read defenses and film study.
I'll take Sunseri.
I don't mind the pick of a safety, but I don't understand why a C was not selected at all. CSP must be pretty comfortable with Tim.
Speed and agility: probably push
Ball Skills: Sunseri
Tackling: Loston.....but Sunseri isn't afraid to stick his hat in there.
Football IQ: Sunseri.....and it's not close. Loston was CONSTANTLY out of position during his collegiate career.....can't read defenses.
Sunseri is a coaches son who is always in the right place.....that is due to being able to read defenses and film study.
I'll take Sunseri.
I don't mind the pick of a safety, but I don't understand why a C was not selected at all. CSP must be pretty comfortable with Tim.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 1:46 pm to Patrick O Rly
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It's a fifth round pick. If he's a good st player for 3-4 years, what's the problem?
This! As a guy with some athletic ability, good ball skills, and a high football IQ.....if he is a stud on ST, and makes an occasional play on D for a few years.......it's a great pick!
Posted on 5/11/14 at 1:48 pm to infantry1026
Loston is one hit away from never playing again.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 2:01 pm to Prominentwon
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Sunseri is just like McCarron. A product of the system and people around him. There's no way the Saints can rely on this clown to make a play on his own.
A product of the system?
A few little known facts about Sunseri. As a junior in North Carolina he was the states Mr. Football. As a senior in Alabama he was the states Mr. Football. As a 3 star recruit in a loaded class he was one of the few freshmen that saw the field early and often. He logged more playing time the Clinton-Dix early on at bama. Barring injury, Landon Collins will be a first round pick next year. Vinnie Sunseri kept him out of the starting lineup. Simply put, the guy is just a natural football player.
Don't expect him to cover Harry Douglas in the slot or Greg Olsen in man coverage. He is a savvy zone coverage guy though and baited a lot of throws over his career. He seeks the football. When he gets his hands on the ball his mission is to reach the end zone. He takes a lot of pride in special teams. Is a violent and sure tackler. Sunseri is going to make the team. He's going to force turnovers. He's going to get fined for destroying people. I'd bet on all that.
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Posted on 5/11/14 at 2:02 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
:kige:
Posted on 5/11/14 at 2:25 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
I'm not in love with either, but that's because we have 2 Pro-Bowl caliber safeties; one drafted last year, and one signed this offseason.
Honestly, without Byrd, I'd be okay with Sunseri. He seems like a smart guy, made a lot of plays. Seems like he understands the game far better than Loston does. Like the previous poster noted, he's the smart player who kept the physical stud on the bench; and it's always good to have a couple of those guys on your defense. As a backup, I think his football IQ might keep him from being too abused in an emergency/injury situation... and that's what you need. I'm comfortable he will play within himself. Loston, not so much.
now, if this is your goal
Honestly, without Byrd, I'd be okay with Sunseri. He seems like a smart guy, made a lot of plays. Seems like he understands the game far better than Loston does. Like the previous poster noted, he's the smart player who kept the physical stud on the bench; and it's always good to have a couple of those guys on your defense. As a backup, I think his football IQ might keep him from being too abused in an emergency/injury situation... and that's what you need. I'm comfortable he will play within himself. Loston, not so much.
now, if this is your goal
quote:then Loston is your man, and probably the best candidate coming out this year. That was his goal in life on the football field. To make a basketball analogy, Loston is the guy who wins the Dunk contest, but can't do anything else.
He's going to get fined for destroying people
Posted on 5/11/14 at 2:29 pm to Prominentwon
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Yeah because scouts don't draft players and 40 times and all that other nonsense they base they're conclusion.
No one is saying they're a GM. I think everyone here has seen enough of this dude play to get a gauge of what kind of player he is or isn't.
Regardless, GMs and coaches make terrible evaluations the same way that fans do. Are they better at it than fans? Let's sure as hell hope so since it is their job. Do they still have misses? Every single year.
Projecting into the NFL is one of the hardest things to do in sports management.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:27 pm to Scoob
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I'm not in love with either, but that's because we have 2 Pro-Bowl caliber safeties; one drafted last year, and one signed this offseason.
Honestly, without Byrd, I'd be okay with Sunseri. He seems like a smart guy, made a lot of plays. Seems like he understands the game far better than Loston does. Like the previous poster noted, he's the smart player who kept the physical stud on the bench; and it's always good to have a couple of those guys on your defense. As a backup, I think his football IQ might keep him from being too abused in an emergency/injury situation... and that's what you need. I'm comfortable he will play within himself. Loston, not so much.
Byrd, Vaccaro and Bush are locks.
Ball and Sunseri are vying for the other two spots, and yes I think we carry 5 safeties again.
He has good instincts and is a good special teams player. If special teams is all he plays, he'll do more than most players drafted in the later rounds.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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drafting starters late not only is how you build NFL teams, but why our fanbase is so confident in this regime's abilities
You gonna hit a few from time to time, but the hit rate at best is still going to be low.
If Sunseri wins a roster spot and plays special teams, it'll be a good pick.
If he makes the roster, plays special teams and plays in some sub packages, it'll be a really good pick.
We're set at starting safety for years.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:59 pm to Patrick O Rly
Maybe he worded it funny, but yeah as you and I pointed out you aren't intentionally drafting starters late. The few times it works out that way is great but it's not like anyone has a team of starters built with late rounders. A few yeah but the majority comes from the first three rounds.
If you usually draft well early, then lucking into starters late gives you a competitive advantage as the cap hits will be low. It's certainly not how you build a team though.
If you usually draft well early, then lucking into starters late gives you a competitive advantage as the cap hits will be low. It's certainly not how you build a team though.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 4:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i see ST guys as 7th and UDFA types
5th should be guys still capable of possibly being starters.
Agreed. I honestly don't know what some people on this board think. Sunseri at worst will be a ST player, but i think he has the measurables to help us on defense.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 4:15 pm to Tiger Nation 84
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Still can't believe we picked Sunseri, dude is lame as frick. Loston has way more ceiling than this clown.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 4:18 pm to Patrick O Rly
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It's a fifth round pick. If he's a good st player for 3-4 years, what's the problem?
The problem fr prom is he went to Alabama. You can tell because in the very first post he made ITT he mentioned McCarron too.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 4:21 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
All Bama does is win. Why do people not want winners?
Posted on 5/11/14 at 4:21 pm to ItsThatDude12
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Sunseri was starting over Landon Collins in 2013 and had two pick 6's early in the year.
Well, to be completely fair, he started over LC because of seniority and because he was a master of the playbook. Sunseri played well, he's got straight line speed and solid size. He isn't very rangy, but he's got great instincts and play making ability. Good tackler, can be a hard hitter. While he's good straight line, his hips aren't elite and he can't turn and run as quick as you'd like NFL Safeties to do. He's a Special Teamer who could MAYBE find his way onto the field as a sixth DB one day. He should never really do much more than that. If he absolutely had to start a game, he'd have to be used in the box almost all the time or he'd get exposed. He couldn't man cover in college, he can't in the league.
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