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re: Am I a racist to think that Sterling's comments weren't that bad?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:20 am to lagallifrey
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:20 am to lagallifrey
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I think they were bad, but the response is insane.
This. I mean, it's like how far can we go before we just say kill the man?
Mob mentality on top of faux racial outrage.
On top of that are the people who want to use this as though it's some defining moment in the history of our country.
It's. One. Man.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:23 am to Mohican
quote:I am amused by those who seem to think this is some window into a large reservoir of similar thinking out there. They seem to think that Sterling represents some huge number of people when in fact, at best, it represents the thinking of a decent number of 80+ white folks.
On top of that are the people who want to use this as though it's some defining moment in the history of our country.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:30 am to Volvagia
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Especially not to the extent of the NBA, commissioner's response as well as rapid advertiser dropping. Was it okay? Nah, but it was mild enough considering he was up for an NAACP lifetime achievement award to wonder if maybe there was some other meaning to it that was badly phrased in private conversation. I swear, the outroar from fans, players, and officials is like he was recorded referring to his own team players as "fricking illiterate n*****s."
That's actually an interesting question. I'm of the mind that our respective reactions to a given event or occurrence can to a large degree be influenced by familiarity and/or conditioning. Sterlings comments are probably not especially surprising or appalling to you because that way of thinking is something with which you're terribly familiar--either by association or personal sympathy. It makes it all the more amusing when so many on this board poopoo any mention of lingering racism in this country (except for racist blacks like Obama, Holder, Spike Lee, etc), then barely bat an eye when it's shoved front and center. It's quite a game of mental gymnastics and (predictably) goes something like this:
1. Alleged racial incident occurs
2. Board rallies to explain that it's not actually racist.
3. Once #2 fails, board regroups to argue that it isn't really that bad, says America's pussified, and blames the "PC police" for ruining all of our fun.
4. Concurrent with #3, board digs up every unflattering quote that some random black guy has said about whites, gays, or whomever and collectively whines to one another about how someone black would have gotten away with this controversy as well.
Rinse. Repeat.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 9:12 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:33 am to Ace Midnight
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Man's got the right to free speech.
This isn't a freedom of speech matter. The government isn't involved in this.
The dude said some things his boss really didn't like, and he is getting fired as a result.
He dumb. He fired. The end.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 8:35 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:36 am to C
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And I honestly don't think he is just a racist, I think he is an elitist.
I'm not trying to take the racist element out of what he said, but I think this hits it on the head. To him, these NBA players are his underlings that he throws money at to entertain his audience. They all have money, but to him, they are still street trash. There was definitely racism in the way that he told her, but I don't think that he just didn't want her to be with them because they were black, it's because he didn't want her associating with that element in general.
To the NBA, that attitude being within the organization can be a disaster. The NBA is more than a sports league, it's a culture. They realize it and it's their money maker. I'm not surprised they did this. I don't think it's right that an organization can have that much control, but it doesn't surprise me.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:36 am to Tigah in the ATL
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and this board & the conservatives on it aren't?
It may seem that way, but only because the media/left is always race baiting and inserting race into everything, so when conservatives bring it up its always in reaction/defense to the media/left using it.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:38 am to Volvagia
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Am I a racist to think that Sterling's comments weren't that bad?
Naw, I've heard worse from the AA at work. The again that's not racists.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:38 am to Volvagia
Depends.....am I racist to not care because it's the NBA?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:41 am to Tigah in the ATL
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and this board & the conservatives on it aren't?
I've personally witnessed occasions when racially themed threads made up 1/4 to 1/2 of the topics on the front page. Tough to tell if these guys are more personally deluded or just plain dishonest.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:46 am to Tigah in the ATL
quote:Ban him.
Cracka, please.
I'm deeply offended.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:49 am to PrimeTime Money
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Ban him. I'm deeply offended.
I think he's white. Don't y'all have that intra-racial immunity amongst yourselves?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:52 am to Navytiger74
I think there was such a huge reaction because of the many times the media tries to make race issues out of nothing.
The media often tries to provoke outrage over things that MIGHT kinda sound a little racist if you interpret things that way. And they succeed in getting people outraged with this "gotcha" game.
So in the Donald Sterling case, where he said something blatantly racist, people and the media had to take their outrage to a whole new level.
The media often tries to provoke outrage over things that MIGHT kinda sound a little racist if you interpret things that way. And they succeed in getting people outraged with this "gotcha" game.
So in the Donald Sterling case, where he said something blatantly racist, people and the media had to take their outrage to a whole new level.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:53 am to Navytiger74
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Tough to tell if these guys are more personally deluded or just plain dishonest.
Just go ahead and call them racists.
It's an intellectual endeavor analyze whether or not the national reaction is appropriate or has gone too far. Would you be OK with killing him? Or should we never question the justice rendered or the reaction when it applies to one person's bigoted thought processes?
Does the very question make us racist in your mind?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:55 am to Navytiger74
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I've personally witnessed occasions when racially themed threads made up 1/4 to 1/2 of the topics on the front page. Tough to tell if these guys are more personally deluded or just plain dishonest.
And half those threads were started by Rex or Tuba just race-baiting
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 8:55 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:55 am to PrimeTime Money
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I think there was such a huge reaction because of the many times the media tries to make race issues out of nothing.
The media often tries to provoke outrage over things that MIGHT kinda sound a little racist if you interpret things that way. And they succeed in getting people outraged with this "gotcha" game.
So in the Donald Sterling case, where he said something blatantly racist, people and the media had to take their outrage to a whole new level.
Great post. They've jumped the shark so much on previous, contrived racial issues that when a legitimate racist comes along they have to make the response seem proportional.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:59 am to Navytiger74
quote:
1. Alleged racial incident occurs
2. Board rallies to explain that it's not actually racist.
3. Once #2 fails, board regroups to argue that it isn't really that bad, says America's pussified, and blames the "PC police" for ruining all of our fun.
3. Concurrent with #2, board digs up every unflattering quote that some random black guy has said about whites, gays, or whomever and collectively whines to one another about how someone black would have gotten away with this controversy as well.
Rinse. Repeat.
Good thing this board is not a good indicator of how most level headed americans think either Liberal or Conservative.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:01 am to fleaux
The truth is, black people say worse things about other black people. If you've grown up with black people, they're just as critical of their own race as whites are of some of theirs. To me, this was much to do about nothing. After hearing the tapes, she race-baited him like true professional..I guess it feeds some Political narrative, and it sold in the media, but it is all meh, as far as substantive. PC police needed something to do, I guess.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:06 am to Mohican
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It's an intellectual endeavor analyze whether or not the national reaction is appropriate or has gone too far.
How does one quantify if a non-violent public outcry has gone too far? I'm actually curious. What would the appropriate response have been in your mind. You must have an idea what such a response should look like if you're able to assess that what we're witnessing is beyond that threshold. Besides, if the internet is any indication (and I consider it a much more unvarnished window into American attitudes), Sterling has his share of defenders.
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Would you be OK with killing him?
He hasn't committed a crime. Why would I want to see him legally sanctioned at all--let alone killed by the state.
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Does the very question make us racist in your mind?
No, but I'm confident that many of you will always find yourselves on the wrong side of these issues, which is why you pose all of these roundabout questions instead of simply dropping your sack and saying that you simply don't think racism is a big deal, or black mark on our national character, or anything especially shameful.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:07 am to Volvagia
The dude is racist with no doubt. He doesn't want people to think that his girl is getting the BBC by her black friends on instagram.
I will also add this as according to current standards in this country.
If blacks can't be racist, how can Jews be racist?
I will also add this as according to current standards in this country.
If blacks can't be racist, how can Jews be racist?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:09 am to CamdenTiger
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The truth is, black people say worse things about other black people. If you've grown up with black people,
Black people don't want Magic Johnson at their basketball games or in harmless instagram photos with their GFs? I hate ghetto people as much as any card carrying member of the KKK, but Magic seems okay.
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