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re: St George proponents think they'll make the November ballot
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:10 pm to doubleb
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:10 pm to doubleb
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The reason it's unknown is the city is moving to annex SG properties and the legislature is trying to make a deadline of July.
The businesses in the news right now relating to annexation into the City of Baton Rouge have asked to be annexed. Aren't St. George supporters all about giving people the choice?
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:14 pm to Sprocket46
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They have to be "on the border" to request annexation(Costco and Celtic were). This is where it gets tricky for Kip and his cronies.....the MOLA is not on the border of incorporated BR. That means all of the property between the mall and BR proper would first have to be annexed. They can try, but it isn't cut and dry, and IMHO the MOLA owners aren't going to voluntarily raise taxes on themselves. If anything, they would wait for St. George to incorporate, and then have a tax bidding war with both entities. Again, assuming the property between them could even first be annexed.
The Mall of La won't necessarily be voluntarily raising taxes on itself. Sales tax will be the same. Property will go up, but they've said they get such a huge discount on fire insurance that it would make up for it.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:17 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Serious question....Where have mall owners said anything about it?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:21 pm to Sprocket46
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Serious question....Where have mall owners said anything about it?
Sorry if that was confusing. The other businesses have said it. Logically though, if the Mall wants the same thing its likely for the same reasons.
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Patrick Mulhearn, head of Celtic Studios, has previously said Celtic mulled annexation for months — even before the St. George initiative — because its property is divided by the city line.
“It just makes sense to be a part of the city. We tout ourselves as being in the heart of Baton Rouge,” Mulhearn said in December. “As far as taxes, it’s tough to say what will happen if you’re in St. George. We’d rather deal with the known than the unknown.”
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:31 pm to mpar98
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The moratorium has already been amended not to affect the current petition drive...and it hasn't even been to the Senate floor, just out of committee
Which bill are you talking about?
House Bill 678 passed yesterday and now goes to the Senate. LINK It would put a time limit on acquiring signatures for an incorporation petition, and no, the St. George movement would not be affected by it because it doesn't apply to petition drives which already have 1000 signatures.
But Senate Bill 674 (the one sponsored by Nevers which has been talked about a lot here) passed out of committee to the Senate floor last week. LINK At present time, that one says current petition drives have to be voted on no later than the November 2014 election in order for them not to be affected by the moratorium put in place while annexation procedures are studied. So if the bill passes without changes, the St. George movement would have to present the required signatures in July in order to make the ballot. St. George supporters were upset when it passed out of committee like this because Nevers had said he would amend it to give organizers 'til Jan. 1 to hold their election.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:32 pm to Mickey Goldmill
It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. I have my doubts though. If the the mall owners and businesses could have been saving money all these years, they would have annexed long ago. Now with the rising of St.George they suddenly see a cost advantage? seems fishy to me.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:33 pm to Mickey Goldmill
I think Costco and Celtic are already partially in the city and I have no problem with either of them being entirely annexed.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:35 pm to constant cough
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Put it up for a vote and let the people decide one way or the other
Agreed, at this point St. George needs to shite or get off the pot.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:36 pm to doubleb
Yep, and Celtic depends on BR metro council to approve its tax breaks. That wasn't gonna go down any other way lol.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:37 pm to Dorothy
Thank you
Certain legislators have been putting the screws to SG. An exemption was discussed but it never happened .
Btw, this moratorium hurts those in Watson who are also trying yo incorporate. This moratorium effects thd entire state and not just SG if it becomes law.
Certain legislators have been putting the screws to SG. An exemption was discussed but it never happened .
Btw, this moratorium hurts those in Watson who are also trying yo incorporate. This moratorium effects thd entire state and not just SG if it becomes law.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:38 pm to Rickety Cricket
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Agreed, at this point St. George needs to shite or get off the pot.
Hard to blame them for trying to get their ducks in a row. They are being attacked on all fronts. They had better get it right the first time.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:39 pm to Rickety Cricket
They started last September
It's not like this has been going on for years now. It's been about 7 months
It's not like this has been going on for years now. It's been about 7 months
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:40 pm to Sprocket46
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It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. I have my doubts though. If the the mall owners and businesses could have been saving money all these years, they would have annexed long ago. Now with the rising of St.George they suddenly see a cost advantage? seems fishy to me.
I don't think its a 'money saving' move. It's a 'I don't know what to expect in St. George. Could be higher taxes. I know what to expect from BR'
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:41 pm to Sprocket46
Celtic depends on the politicians to keep the film tax credit thing going and also for ad volorem tax exemptions.
Naturally they want to play the game. I would too.
Naturally they want to play the game. I would too.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:45 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Yes BR has proven that they will reduce the taxing district and the number of eligible voters in order to raise taxes.
Who is more likely to raise taxes? Kip and his crew or conservatives in the suburbs?
Who is more likely to raise taxes? Kip and his crew or conservatives in the suburbs?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:46 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I don't think its a 'money saving' move. It's a 'I don't know what to expect in St. George. Could be higher taxes. I know what to expect from BR'
As a business owner i totally get that. That said, I don't see why they would commit to it permanently at this point. If St.George were to offer them tax incentives they would be dumb to annex now. They can hear what st.George has to say, try it, then annex later if things went to hell.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:51 pm to Sprocket46
It will be interesting to see how it plays out .
Heck says they are negotiating but what us there go negotiate .
I know when they built the mall the city parish put them through a ringer and made them spend millions on offsite improvements. They sure didn't get a sweetheart deal like Costco is getting.
Heck says they are negotiating but what us there go negotiate .
I know when they built the mall the city parish put them through a ringer and made them spend millions on offsite improvements. They sure didn't get a sweetheart deal like Costco is getting.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:55 pm to Sprocket46
Does anyone know if annexation of an already incorporated area (such as a newly formed City of St. George) would be different than just annexation of an unincorporated area? I don't remember reading anything about it, and I wonder if it's harder to leave (or take land from, depending on your perspective) another incorporated city. 
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:01 pm to Dorothy
I've been trying to figure that one out.....
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:04 pm to doubleb
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Yes BR has proven that they will reduce the taxing district and the number of eligible voters in order to raise taxes.
Who is more likely to raise taxes? Kip and his crew or conservatives in the suburbs?
1. Kip is on his way out. His tendencies about raising taxes are irrelevant going into the future.
2. Those conservatives in the suburbs aren't gonna have a choice if they lose the mall. They will have to increase taxes to pay for their services.
3. The bond proposal you are referencing was passed by the people that will be getting the benefits from it. Those that weren't included in the vote don't get the benefits. How is there something wrong there?
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