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re: Iberia Parish Sheriff: handcuffed man in cop car shot himself: 8/21 update
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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This post was edited on 5/10/14 at 6:01 pm
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:07 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
Here's one of the major reasons why I (as a law enforcement officer/supervisor) think these cops should be disciplined if it is a result of carelessness/negligence:
If that kid had gotten into the jail with the gun, a jail deputy could've been hurt or worse. They absolutely should face repercussions/. To what extent depends on the chief and their prior work history.
If that kid had gotten into the jail with the gun, a jail deputy could've been hurt or worse. They absolutely should face repercussions/. To what extent depends on the chief and their prior work history.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:08 pm to DanTiger
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How are they being protected?
Bad cops???? You can't be serious.
LINK
Why good cops defend bad cops
Report: Bad cops protected
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:09 pm to Negative Nomad
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I know why it's come to light more and that's becuase everyone has a video camera. Misuse of power or breaking the law by cops prior to 1970's was mostley unheard of and there was nothing to disprove allegations. It still existed then and probably even more so than reported. Now every little mistep gets national news coverage or blasted all over the web. That makes cops look way worse and more prevalent than what actually exist.
It's actually brought to light that the "blue wall of silence" is very real. There's a reason police don't like people filming.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
So if you end up in the back of a cop car and still have your gun? What happens if you drop it on the floorboard? Do you say something like There's a gun back here, not mine?
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:13 pm to Itismemc
There gonna figure out it's yours.
FWIW, a friend was once arrested, and he advised they never searched him. Not once. Not even a pat down.
FWIW, a friend was once arrested, and he advised they never searched him. Not once. Not even a pat down.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Bad cops???? You can't be serious.
I am very serious. Should me opinion be swayed by a couple of magazine articles you have linked? Many newspapers said Hitler was the saviour of Europer when he first rose to power in Germany. Were they right?
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:16 pm to Itismemc
I can't decide which is worse - the cops shot this dude and are sticking to a convoluted cover up story or the cops are ridiculously incompetent and couldn't find a gun in a waistband during a search.
This story stinks like 5 day old fish. Can't wait to hear the results of the "official investigation".
I imagine the cops in question getting a question from the investigators along the lines of "Son, you have two choices. You're either a lying killer or an epic dumbass. Which one you want to be?"
Either way, the cops should at minimum lose their jobs. And will probably face some kind of punishment for negligence, either criminal and/or civil.
Idiots.
This story stinks like 5 day old fish. Can't wait to hear the results of the "official investigation".
I imagine the cops in question getting a question from the investigators along the lines of "Son, you have two choices. You're either a lying killer or an epic dumbass. Which one you want to be?"
Either way, the cops should at minimum lose their jobs. And will probably face some kind of punishment for negligence, either criminal and/or civil.
Idiots.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:19 pm to DanTiger
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I am very serious. Should me opinion be swayed by a couple of magazine articles you have linked?
I certainly had no thought that it would...
But it's something most people already know. quote:
Many newspapers said Hitler was the saviour of Europer when he first rose to power in Germany. Were they right?
You gotta be f'king kidding me...
So, you deny this as a myth? I mean, there are actual facts posted there that can't be disputed.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I certainly had no thought that it would... But it's something most people already know.
I disagree. I also see that you have chosen to point out an obvious typo in an infantile effort to deflect.
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So, you deny this as a myth? I mean, there are actual facts posted there that can't be disputed.
There are numerous things posted here everyday that turn out to be off base and wrong. Should I blindly believe anything that agrees with my agenda as you seem to do? I prefer to employ some measure of objectivity.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:38 pm to DanTiger
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I certainly had no thought that it would... But it's something most people already know.
I disagree. I also see that you have chosen to point out an obvious typo in an infantile effort to deflect.
Wrong. I was pointing out there was absolutely no way to change your mind, and no one was trying. I'm pointing out why the public doesn't trust law enforcement. But, if you prefer to be personally offended, go for it.
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So, you deny this as a myth? I mean, there are actual facts posted there that can't be disputed.
There are numerous things posted here everyday that turn out to be off base and wrong. Should I blindly believe anything that agrees with my agenda as you seem to do? I prefer to employ some measure of objectivity.
So do I. And I believe good officers should be at the leading edge to remove bad officers from the force, and not blindly defend at ever turn.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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So do I. And I believe good officers should be at the leading edge to remove bad officers from the force, and not blindly defend at ever turn.
This happens every single day but it is not published. Do you genuinely believe that the majority of departments in this country are loaded with dishonest and corrupt officers? Logic dictates this theory to be false. Let me provide you with a few glaring facts:
-Most polcie chiefs, with the exception of large cities, and all sheriffs are elected officials. They simply want to remain in office so if the voters don't like the way the officers they employ perform changes WILL be made and damn fast or that official will be voted out in the next election cycle.
-Police agencies do not have any incentive to cover up poor actions and decisions made by officers because of the media spotlight on all officers now and because of department liability.
-Police officers are subjected to one of if not the most stringent and difficult hiring processes of any profession in this country. Most are required to pass a polygraph examination and all are required to pass a background investigation as well as drug and psychological testing.
-The vast majority of departments, at least in this state, have no union representation so the often spread nonsense that officers cannot be fired because of a union is simply false the vast majority of the time.
The items I mentioned above are not up for debate because they are factual and not nonsense spewed forth once a week or so from a magazine article.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:54 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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would think all good cops would be more critical of the bad element.
Can't be BC then you're blackballed and outcasted.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:56 pm to brass2mouth
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Can't be BC then you're blackballed and outcasted.
Yet another baseless accusation.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:57 pm to DanTiger
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This happens every single day but it is not published. Do you genuinely believe that the majority of departments in this country are loaded with dishonest and corrupt officers?
Absolutely not. In fact, I think our local PD is pretty awesome.
The problem is he public gives LE so much power that it should be watched and scrutinized as much as possible. The silence and cover up when it comes to misconduct has given people a very good reason to be wary.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:So how do you get past the paranoia of the "Blue curtain"? Even after state police, IA, etc do an investigation you dont have to look far to find someone unhappy with the results of it.
RogerTheShrubber
Do you form a panel of non law enforcement personnel to travel the country conducting official investigations into police wrong doings? Sure that may work but then you are gonna have to fund it, make sure you arent hiring people with bias, train them etc. Then after a while money gets tight, hiring exceptions are made, some dirty ones slip through the cracks, and the agency head doesnt wanna look bad so he keeps some secret firings or wrong doings in this newly hired agency and you are right back to square one.
( That hypothetical was dumb but I enjoyed imagining it and typing it out)
You get the point
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:06 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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So how do you get past the paranoia of the "Blue curtain"
You don't
Not like things are going to get any better with all these departments losing funding and such. We're going to see more and more retards/bad apples hired.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:06 pm to DanTiger
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et another baseless accusation
I saw it with my own eyes, and the dude has since been passed over for promotion 3 times now bc he didn't want to play along and railroad somebody, which then pissed off the higher ups.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:30 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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RogerTheShrubber
So how do you get past the paranoia of the "Blue curtain"? Even after state police, IA, etc do an investigation you dont have to look far to find someone unhappy with the results of it.
Do you form a panel of non law enforcement personnel to travel the country conducting official investigations into police wrong doings? Sure that may work but then you are gonna have to fund it, make sure you arent hiring people with bias, train them etc. Then after a while money gets tight, hiring exceptions are made, some dirty ones slip through the cracks, and the agency head doesnt wanna look bad so he keeps some secret firings or wrong doings in this newly hired agency and you are right back to square one.
( That hypothetical was dumb but I enjoyed imagining it and typing it out)
You get the point
I think you can get past it by having independent investigations into police actions, making findings public in a somewhat timely manner and making it easier to remove officers who have committed misconduct.
Do you remember "Trooper gate?" The issue with Sarah Palin and her brother in law? The wall of protection kept quite a few incidents of misconduct under wraps. It was finally revealed when he resigned earlier this year. Amazing how protected he was in his position.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:48 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I think that would work, but like I think Felociana said earlier, who pays for it and are they former cops or what? Paying an independent party to investigate cops would be expensive IMO, but maybe that's what needs to be done.
I also think that trooper gate had more to do with Palin herself being in the position she was, but admittedly I haven't kept up with it.
I also think that trooper gate had more to do with Palin herself being in the position she was, but admittedly I haven't kept up with it.
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