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re: MS Senate passes 20 week abortion ban.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 11:32 pm to deltaland
Posted on 3/11/14 at 11:32 pm to deltaland
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Sounds reasonable to me.
Yep.
There really is no reason for an abortion at that point in the pregnancy if the mother's health is not an issue.
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However, senators, on a split voice vote, rejected an amendment by Sen. Derrick Simmons, D-Greenville, to create an exemption for pregnancies that occur through rape or incest.
I don't have a problem with that. At that point in the pregnancy, only the mother's health should be considered for such an abortion.
If you can't decide by that point, oh well it's too late then.
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:45 am to los angeles tiger
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How many are you going to adopt? Oh, you love those little ones so much more by wanting them aborted because you've already decided they are worthless and don't deserve a life.
Conservatives adopt children more than liberals and have adopted more children of other races.
I'm not adopting none. I never said I was. You didn't answer the question. How many are you going to adopt?
Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:47 am to PhoenixLSUTiger
You shouldn't tell others they must adopt but you aren't willing to adopt. Hell, with Obamacare I must have "maternity coverage" in my plan even though I am a man and in no need of it. Are you going to pay for my insurance?
Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:49 am to PhoenixLSUTiger
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How many are you going to adopt?
As many as I can.
And even if the answer were none, that still does not mean that aborting them is preferable.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 12:51 am to PhoenixLSUTiger
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How many are you going to adopt?
This is a silly line of logic that concludes the only two options is the baby being aborted or someone adopting it. You never bring into the conversation the responsibility of the people getting pregnant and their duty to prevent the pregnancy pre conception if they do not want children.
Nor do you concider how an act can still be wrong even though one refuses to be saddled with the responsibility of another persons irresponsibility.
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 1:10 am
Posted on 3/12/14 at 1:05 am to asurob1
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If that happened to my daughter I would either make her carry the baby to term and give it up for adoption or go to a state that didn't have the 20 week limit. I would probably be in prison for murder so I wouldn't have much say.
what a loving father you must be.
Well first, if she is too chicken to tell her parents that she got raped she deserves what happens. She could tell her parents and they could get her plan B or she could get one of her friends to buy it for her.
Second, she could tell her parents well before the 20 week limit. Hey mom and dad a couple of weeks I was at this party and well now I'm late can you drive me to the abortion clinic.
ETA: If she is too afraid/messed up/whatever you want to call to get an abortion (or get he parents permission for an abortion if she is a minor) by 20 weeks then she should carry it to term.
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:30 am to willthezombie
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Well first, if she is too chicken to tell her parents that she got raped she deserves what happens.
HOLY frick BALLS!
Are you fricking out of your mind. If a girl got raped and she doesn't tell her parents out of fear...you say she deserved it.
wow...just wow...a new low for this board.
Will the Zombie, exhibit A for why women are under assault in this nation.
Typical male attitude.
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 2:32 am
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:36 am to willthezombie
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Well first, if she is too chicken to tell her parents that she got raped she deserves what happens.
Anyhow, the deep south continues its moonwalk. The strategy seems to have turned from a national debate about Roe vs Wade to passing state laws that reduce available centers and shorten time frames. If you can't ban it, restrict access.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:41 am to Sentrius
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Yep.
There really is no reason for an abortion at that point in the pregnancy if the mother's health is not an issue.
Only about 1% of all abortions occur after 20 weeks. All states already have laws banning abortion after 24 weeks. So I don't get the fundamental rational for this law in the first place. It sound like you are taking choice out of a womans hands for moral reasonings only for weeks 21-23.
Arizona 20 week ban Ruling
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Arizona defends the statute on two grounds: that the risk
to pregnant women is considerably greater after 20 weeks
gestation, and that fetuses feel pain at least by 20 weeks
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Were the statute limited to protecting
fetuses from unnecessary infliction of excruciating pain
before their death, Arizona might regulate abortions at or
after 20 weeks by requiring anesthetization of the fetuses
about to be killed, much as it requires anesthetization of
prisoners prior to killing them when the death penalty is carried out
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As for Arizona’s claimed interest in the mother’s health,
people are free to do many things risky to their health, such
as surgery to improve their quality of life but unnecessary to
preserve life. There appears to be no authority for making an exception to this general liberty regarding one’s own health
for abortion.
According to the judgment in Arizona, womens health does not matter ever in these cases.
As for the fetal pain argument, the researchers they cite in these bans don't agree with lawmakers about the 20 week limit.
Fetal Pain Research does not support bans
Mississippi's Last abortion clinic
MS doesn't even have an abortion clinic that does abortions past 20 weeks.
IDK sound like a lot of people seem to have a problem with Roe vs Wade and this is just bait for the Supreme Court.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 7:02 am to willthezombie
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Well first, if she is too chicken to tell her parents that she got raped she deserves what happens
Holy shite go frick yourself.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 7:08 am to todospm
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if you can't ban it, restrict access
learned at the knee of the anti-gun crowd
Posted on 3/12/14 at 7:29 am to willthezombie
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Well first, if she is too chicken to tell her parents that she got raped she deserves what happens.
You're a fricking moron.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 7:47 am to willthezombie
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Well first, if she is too chicken to tell her parents that she got raped she deserves what happens.
Conservatives
Posted on 3/12/14 at 7:53 am to STEVED00
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Saying it is okay to kill a baby that was conceived by rape (extremely small # of cases but it always gets thrown in the mix but I digress) but not a baby conceived by consensual sex defeats the whole purpose of the law which is to protect a human life.
therein lies the logical issue
that's why akin got in trouble. you can't claim you support banning abortion to protect life and then support exceptions for rape and incest.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 8:46 am to asurob1
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your logic is sound.
sadly however I cannot agree in the case of rape or incest.
I guess it comes down to deciding whose life is more important.
The one you might end.
The one you might completely ruin.
Sadly your logic is not.
An abortion DEFINITELY ends a life.
An abortion has been shown to frequently also ruin the mother's life (document case after case of mental illnesses with post-abortion traumatic symptoms).
The only unknown is whether carrying to term will have any lasting effects on the mother. Many, many women have carried a rape baby to term and then either put the baby up for adoption or raised the child without lingering effects.
I am sure these facts are inconvenient for the abortion at all costs crowd such as yourself.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 8:52 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
ITT: i see why republicans lose the female vote
if you want to pick a battle on abortion, dont pick it with victims of rape and incest. no chance at winning that argument.
if you want to pick a battle on abortion, dont pick it with victims of rape and incest. no chance at winning that argument.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 9:22 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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The only unknown is whether carrying to term will have any lasting effects on the mother. Many, many women have carried a rape baby to term and then either put the baby up for adoption or raised the child without lingering effects.
My mother had that experience and I didn't know about it fully until after her death even though I had first met my half-brother a year before at my youngest brothers funeral (suicide). My mom (dad died six months earlier) introduced me and my brothers to him and said he had been a friend of hers and my dad and had come in from Florida for the funeral. During that week home for that tragedy, I noticed my Mom looking at "Will" like she looked at us like he was her child. No matter how old we get, moms look at their children differently than they do other people.
My mom died a year to the date of my youngest brothers suicide and it was at that trip back home that Will told us that he was our brother. My sister immediately said "Of course" and I realized it as well. He looked so much like my mom. Funny thing is me and my siblings have a very strong resemblance to our fathers an so little to our mom.
What makes my Mom's story even sadder is that it happened not long after WWII and there weren't many adoptions taking place because people were just getting married bringing us the "baby boomers." Because he wasn't immediately adopted and the charity was low on space and funds, my grandparents took care of him for a year. My mom gave up her child after having him for a year. She had grief in her heart about her first child for years not knowing anything about him.
Many times my sister would argue with my mom insisting that abortion is a woman's right, especially if she is raped. My mom always replied, "The child didn't commit the rape so why should the child be executed."
My half-brother spent years searching for my mom and it was most needed for her in ways I cannot begin to explain. Abortion is the taking of a an innocent life and it doesn't fix any problems. It just makes another one. My Mom had her first baby there to support her when she most needed it to go through the horror of seeing her youngest and then her second child (my parent's first) die and having to bury them. He visited her often and talked with her on the phone every day during those times and it provided for great comfort that wouldn't have been there had she aborted him.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:20 pm to los angeles tiger
Wow, thank you for sharing. Your mom sounds like a great woman, one you should be proud of.
I worked in the pro-life circles some and I can't count the number of women I have talked to over the years that have deep, I mean DEEP, pain from their choice to have abortions - these women are both in the pro-life movement or outside of it.
I really think the pro-abortion crowd are the ones with a war on women...
I worked in the pro-life circles some and I can't count the number of women I have talked to over the years that have deep, I mean DEEP, pain from their choice to have abortions - these women are both in the pro-life movement or outside of it.
I really think the pro-abortion crowd are the ones with a war on women...
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:30 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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I really think the pro-abortion crowd are the ones with a war on women
lol
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:39 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
this quote
and this quote don't go together.
Yet the both came from anti-abortion conservatives.
And you wonder why women don't take your shite seriously.
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I really think the pro-abortion crowd are the ones with a war on women...
and this quote don't go together.
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Well first, if she is too chicken to tell her parents that she got raped she deserves what happens
Yet the both came from anti-abortion conservatives.
And you wonder why women don't take your shite seriously.
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 2:40 pm
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