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re: Daily Show obliterates opposition to state level Medicade expansion
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:48 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:48 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Everyone knows the fed's generosity has a time limit. In this case, it's til 2020
You know there are times when I truly wonder if fiscal liberals understand that this type of spending we're seeing now is not sustainable at all and a crash is inevitable and it's well on its way.
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:48 pm to Tiguar
I wish DS would tell us where "zero dollars" come from.
This post was edited on 2/28/14 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:53 pm to Sentrius
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You know there are times when I truly wonder if fiscal liberals understand that this type of spending we're seeing now is not sustainable at all and a crash is inevitable and it's well on its way.
Right.
Maybe some states understand that even if poppa gov is paying for most of it, the money still has to come from somewhere. Nancy Pelosi can't fart it out.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 12:02 am to VOR
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Oh wait.. . we have another oft repeated urban myth.
It used to be a comedy show, and is still funny sometimes, but it's about as slanted as you can get. There's a reason that he and O'Reilly have often squared off in highly publicized debates. Both are icons of their respective sides of the aisle.Posted on 3/1/14 at 12:12 am to Draconian Sanctions
what is "bogus capitalist"?
Posted on 3/1/14 at 12:46 am to Sentrius
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You know there are times when I truly wonder if fiscal liberals understand that this type of spending we're seeing now is not sustainable at all and a crash is inevitable and it's well on its way.
zero dollars it would cost those states.
But they stood up to Obamacare!
Posted on 3/1/14 at 12:54 am to asurob1
"Zero dollars", huh? Where does the federal government get the money to give those states?
Also, it's funny how the Liberals complain that Red states use more federal welfare than they pay out, yet they are pissed that these states decided to opt out of more federal welfare.
Also, it's funny how the Liberals complain that Red states use more federal welfare than they pay out, yet they are pissed that these states decided to opt out of more federal welfare.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 12:57 am to asurob1
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zero dollars it would cost those states.
I sure would like to see where you and DS are getting this from.
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In a new study published by the Mercatus Center at George Mason University, senior research fellow Charles Blahous analyzes the myriad factors states must weigh in their decisions whether to expand Medicaid coverage. The study concludes that for most states the decision will be complex and finely balanced, resulting in different states making different choices and some states finding it prudent to defer their decisions until the federal fiscal picture is further clarified.
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• Weighing the Costs. In particular, states must weigh the burden of higher state Medicaid expenditures under expansion against the benefit of maximizing externally financed health benefits for their citizens. These conflicting considerations are both very powerful, and responsible elected officials can be expected to weigh them differently according to their state’s unique circumstances.
State Budget Concerns. States already face substantial near-term Medicaid cost increases irrespective of coverage expansion decisions. As a result, any new costs to states associated with Medicaid expansion must be budgeted for on top of preexisting cost increases.
In 2011, Medicaid accounted for nearly 24 percent of state budget expenditures—despite the temporary FMAP increase provided under the 2009 stimulus law.
States’ Medicaid costs are projected to rise by more than 150 percent over the next decade. Much of the projected cost increase reflects growth in Medicaid caseloads and of per-enrollee Medicaid costs; some of the increase derives from the expiration of temporary emergency assistance provided to states during 2009–11 in federal stimulus legislation.
Even with the generous FMAP rate provided under the ACA, states will need to shoulder not only higher costs in the future but a higher percentage of total Medicaid costs than they were responsible for financing during 2009–2011.
LINK
You two do realize that clip was indeed satire? It will cost the states.
This post was edited on 3/1/14 at 12:59 am
Posted on 3/1/14 at 6:48 am to asurob1
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zero dollars it would cost those states
simply amazing that you would say this at this point in the thread
Posted on 3/1/14 at 6:51 am to Draconian Sanctions
Yawn
Posted on 3/1/14 at 7:06 am to Draconian Sanctions
another clever appeal to emotion
ignores facts and reality
but this shite works on the stupid people, I'll give it that
ignores facts and reality
but this shite works on the stupid people, I'll give it that
Posted on 3/1/14 at 7:53 am to Al Dante
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I don't get my news from comedians. Sorry.
It's not news. It is making an argument or point by using political satire. Really. That's what it is.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 7:56 am to Draconian Sanctions
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How many of you even watched the video? serious question.
It depends on your definition of free. If I give you $100 a year for 5 years, but after 5 years you owe me $100 a year for life did you get a free $500?
Not to mention the $100 a year I was giving you was gathered by raiding piggy banks.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 7:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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And, frankly, Medicaid has to and will be expanded because of . . . well . . . reality.
who will pay for it?
The reality is this. Healthcare costs will be with us as a nation no matter what we do or political position we take. And no matter what political party is in power, from here to eternity, the public (government) will be paying at least some significant portion of it. Does anyone here honestly believe that is not the case?
Posted on 3/1/14 at 8:00 am to Alahunter
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Using a comedian for policy talking points. Nice
FOX uses the comedian Bill O'Reilly in prime time every nite for theirs right wing talking points.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 8:02 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You two do realize that clip was indeed satire? It will cost the states.
Perhaps, but the states eventually are going to pay regardless in one way or the other. In the case of Louisiana, the refusal to accept the expansion is not only costing the state but it's passing up the opportunity ease some budget problems for the next few years. And it's by no means certain what precisely will happen in the sharing of Medicaid costs in 2020.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 8:24 am to Draconian Sanctions
So, we're supposed to bow down to an argument that:
A) relies on Medicaid recipients to be "responsible" in their healthcare choices; and,
B) takes as an absolute truth that the $18 trillion in debt national government will fund this massive expansion at 90% into perpetuity?
No, thanks.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 8:37 am to OldTigahFot
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Should we also be getting health care information from "Gray's Anatomy" ?
Why not?
In the land of the Left, Meryl Streep is an expert on Alar, Jessica Lange on farming, Ed Begley, Jr. and Ted Danson on "Global Warning", and now Seth Rogan on Alzheimer's.
But Lois Lerner still can't tell us who ordered the harassment of Tea Party Groups, and Hillary Clinton still doesn't know what difference does it make.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 8:48 am to redandright
Healthcare challenges and government payors that already account for 35+% of the system are far too complex to be argued in the daily shows format.
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