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Most Influential: John Hughes or Harold Ramis?

Posted on 2/24/14 at 12:07 pm
Posted by classictiger
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 12:07 pm
When I heard earlier today that Ramis had died, it made me think of John Hughes. Both of these men's body of work influenced my childhood. And as many have said about Ramis, his resume includes some of the best comedies ever.

So, is it fair to compare the two and if so who do you think had the biggest cinematic influence?
Posted by Tactical1
Denham Springs
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 12:08 pm to
Personally


I am going to say Ramis.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 12:12 pm to
For me personally, it's Ramis by a lot. I didn't get into most of the John Hughes movies, but the Ramis ones have helped define my sense of humor my entire life.
Posted by spslayto
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 12:15 pm to
I would go with John Hughes. But Ramis was great too.
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 12:15 pm to
ramis for sure.
Posted by genro
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 12:20 pm to
Ramis

More timeless, more universally appreciated comedies. Hughes' movies are still great, but not as great as they were when I was a teenager.
Posted by NameWithheld
Houston, TX
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 12:31 pm to
While I love both, the scale tilts slightly towards Hughes for me...
This post was edited on 2/24/14 at 9:37 pm
Posted by HardHat
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 12:48 pm to
Easy, Ramis
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 12:48 pm to
It's close, but considering both his writing and directing credits, the nod has to go to Ramis
Posted by alajones
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 12:48 pm to
2 of my top 3 comedies are Harold Ramis films. While Hughes made some great teen angst movies, and Home Alone is a classic Christmas movie, for me personally, it's Ramis, by a lot.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 12:53 pm to
quote:

who do you think had the biggest cinematic influence?


Ramis. But Hughes was a very close second.
Posted by bbrownso
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 1:09 pm to
I like John Hughes but it's gotta be Harold Ramis.

quote:

Ramis' comedies were often wild, silly and tilting toward anarchy, but they also were cerebral and iconoclastic, with the filmmaker heeding the Second City edict to work at the top of one's intelligence. This combination of smart and gut-bustingly funny led a generation of comedic actors and filmmakers — including Judd Apatow ("The 40 Year Old Virgin," "Knocked Up," Jay Roach ("Meet the Parents," the "Austin Powers" movies), Peter Farrelly ("There's Something About Mary," "Dumb and Dumber"), Jake Kasdan ("Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story," "Orange County," both of which featured Ramis in small roles) and Adam Sandler (who starred in his own wacky golf comedy, "Happy Gilmore") — to cite him as a key inspiration.


He was in a number of great movies, wrote, directed and produced even more great movies, and inspired some great writers and directors.

Thanks for all the laughs, Mr. Ramis.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 1:10 pm to
quote:

So, is it fair to compare the two and if so who do you think had the biggest cinematic influence?


I think it is fair - they're probably the "twin towers" of 1980s comedy directors.

Certainly Hughes influenced other filmmakers - look no further than Kevin Smith.

However, Ramis' films had a more broad appeal, in my opinion. Hughes films were targeted at my generation, specifically, as I was born in the late 60s and graduated from high school in the mid-80s.

There were fewer than 6 years separating them in age, they were both from the Upper Midwest and both had an affiliation with Chicago.

Both filmmakers produced popular comedy films, with, generally, a core group of actors we saw over and over.

For me - Ramis' films are funnier and stand the test of time, while I identify more with the characters in Hughes' films. I hear both men's films quoted on a regular basis by casual and more serious film fans. It is difficult to answer the question as to which man is/was more influential. Probably close, and probably Ramis.

Their significant interaction was National Lampoon's Vacation - a classic Hughes script, based on his real life experience going to Disneyland as a kid in the late 1950s, and was directed by Harold Ramis. One of the best comedies of all time.
This post was edited on 2/24/14 at 1:12 pm
Posted by constant cough
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 1:19 pm to
Ramis
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 1:34 pm to
Hughes.
Posted by Floating Change Up
Member since Dec 2013
11868 posts
Posted on 2/24/14 at 4:34 pm to
It really isn't fair to compare the two.

Hughes set the standard for all of the teeny-bopper flicks of the 80's and everything that followed in the teeny-bopper movie-realm.

Ramis set the standard for sophisticated "dumb" comedy. His sense of humor of combining really dumb ideas into brilliant comedy really is above everyone else.

Different question, along the chicken-or-egg question -- Did Bill Murray pave the way for Ramis to be successful, or did Ramis pave the way for Murray?


ETA: errr, what baloo said.
This post was edited on 2/24/14 at 4:37 pm
Posted by Cdawg
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 5:18 pm to
I'm going with Hughes b/c they made a bigger impact on me than Ramis. Of course I was the prime target of Hughes' movies when they were released but overall he's a better director and writer and pretty much created a genre.

The only knock I have on Ramis, well it's probably not a knock, is Ghostbusters. I never understood the fascination with that movie at the time. It was everywhere and saturated pop culture, but to me it isn't funny or good.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
56685 posts
Posted on 2/24/14 at 6:19 pm to
Hughes found a great 80's niche but Ramis has affected American culture more profoundly. You can't get through a round of golf without quoting him, and people do it without even knowing.

Animal House, Stripes, Vacation and Caddyshack are 4 of the greatest comedies of all time, and they hold up without being "80's Movies."
Posted by Backinthe615
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 9:05 pm to
Both made templates for many to follow, but I'd go Ramis.
This post was edited on 2/24/14 at 9:07 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65147 posts
Posted on 2/24/14 at 9:15 pm to
I don't know who is more influential, but Ramis was a far better writer/director IMO.

He directed/co-wrote Caddyshack, Vacation and Groundhog Day - three of the greatest comedies of all-time - as well as co-wrote Animal House, Stripes and Ghostbusters.
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