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re: Pelicans with plenty of love in Simmons' worst contracts piece
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:49 pm to LosLobos111
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:49 pm to LosLobos111
quote:I really wish he wasn't. But so far it's been a pretty subpar return on that investment. I'm still on board with him though.
Tyresus is NOT meh
quote:Not really
Rivers has shown improvement in many areas(FT shooting/Finishing/3s) and is a good asset to develop.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:49 pm to Fearthehat0307
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what about jrue, AD and Ryno?
I didn't name them because I think they're the only guys on the roster that could play a role in the future for us besides being trade bait.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:51 pm to danman6336
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Honestly I really don't know. People are still telling themselves that when healthy we're a contender with this roster. An 8 seed, yea. Contender? Not even close.
Not sure where we really go from here, except more or less starting over around Davis.
This roster from the beginning was/is a work in progress
Everyone knew we weren't going to be a conf final/finals team this year
Build around Jrue/AD/Reke
We'll see how things play out
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:51 pm to danman6336
quote:i'm usually with you on here broseph but I haven't seen anyone that thinks this team as is is a title contender. everyone knows moves need to be made
The posi-pels
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:52 pm to Fearthehat0307
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everyone knows moves need to be made
Including a competent coach
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:53 pm to Elleshoe
quote:support
Including a competent coach
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:55 pm to Fearthehat0307
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i'm usually with you on here broseph but I haven't seen anyone that thinks this team as is is a title contender. everyone knows moves need to be made
Rome wasn't built in a day
I honestly thought we'd win 45 this year
Had all the injuries not happened and with how well the big 5 was playing with each other we would've came pretty damn close(hell we might still win 40 or so,we'd just have to go 17-13)
Posted on 2/18/14 at 6:01 pm to LosLobos111
quote:That's great to say, but how?
Build around Jrue/AD/Reke
We don't have a good coach
We have NOTHING at SF or C
We have about 20 million a year tied up in two bench players and a max deal player that we can't even give away
We don't have a draft pick
And we're a small market team that I'm not sure FAs are going to flock to come play for
I mean I know I'm just mr negative, but how do we get better right now? what is the plan? how do we acquire assets and improve the product?
This post was edited on 2/18/14 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 2/18/14 at 6:07 pm to danman6336
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We don't have a good coach
I agree there
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We have NOTHING at SF or C
That's why moving EG is imperative. Worst case scenario we use the MLE on someone next year. I'm not THAT worried about C if ajinca/withey keeps developing the way they are.
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We have about 20 million a year tied up in two bench players and a max deal player that we can't even give away
Tyreke will start at the 2 if EG goes and Ryno isn't important right this minute.
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We don't have a draft pick
I could care less for the 12th pick
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And we're a small market team that I'm not sure FAs are going to flock to come play for
With the way AD is playing i'm not so sure about that.
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I mean I know I'm just mr negative, but how do we get better right now? what is the plan? how do we acquire assets and improve the product?
I understand your thinking but there's a ton of variables to these situation and you just have to let them play out.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 6:13 pm to Fun Bunch
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Simmons is a fricking idiot. The Jrue trade was fine.
The Tyreke move was bad. It is what it is.
Simmons believes that small markets are feeder teams for the big markets and can only get better one way: getting extremely lucky multiple times.
Right he wanted us to pick up Jennings instead. So we get Jennings in FA draft some scrub in last year draft then get a 7th round pick in this year draft, what a promising future.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 6:26 pm to 42
Evans is such a weird player. What's been the weirdest aspect of his season is how his touch around the rim has deserted him. He's ~60% there for his career. This season? Below 50%.
If he can't finish there, he might not be an NBA player.
The talent is strange and thin. Injuries have derailed any meaningful take on whatever the plan was. Same time, the roster is thoughtless. They've got 4 7 footers who roughly do the same thing and are equally mediocre. 5 (4 of whom are small) guards who are used to having the ball in their hands. That is some piss poor roster planning IMO.
I do not think Monty/Dell are on the same page. Even with the flaws, this is a funky, uptempo, small ball, interchangeable roster. However one feels about Williams, none of those words describe his philosophy.
If he can't finish there, he might not be an NBA player.
The talent is strange and thin. Injuries have derailed any meaningful take on whatever the plan was. Same time, the roster is thoughtless. They've got 4 7 footers who roughly do the same thing and are equally mediocre. 5 (4 of whom are small) guards who are used to having the ball in their hands. That is some piss poor roster planning IMO.
I do not think Monty/Dell are on the same page. Even with the flaws, this is a funky, uptempo, small ball, interchangeable roster. However one feels about Williams, none of those words describe his philosophy.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 6:37 pm to danman6336
Why are you even here? Things are hopeless!! Just go be a heat fan if you want a quick fix.
This will take time man. Our best player is 20. The thunder won 20 and 23 games Durant's first two years.
Rosters change. Trades are made. Free Agency. Player development.
Just relax man.
This will take time man. Our best player is 20. The thunder won 20 and 23 games Durant's first two years.
Rosters change. Trades are made. Free Agency. Player development.
Just relax man.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 6:37 pm to danman6336
The problem some people ignore is that no matter how much talent you have, poor coaching or an inability to put players in positions to succeed will only result in mediocrity and more mediocrity.
Demps and Monty have been a disastrous duo if you ask me. Every time Demps takes a step forward, he takes two steps back and throws away any great trading pieces he has for cents on the dollar.
Assuming Gordon stayed healthy, he still blew it with Kaman. Even if you get 10 cents on the dollar its better than nothing with Kaman.
Then he blew it with Lopez/Vasquez in settling for giving them up for Tyreke. I think then blew it with the Jrue trade by not top 10-top 14 protecting the pick. Fine, we give them a pick, but if we don't make the playoffs this season, we shouldn't be giving up the pick.
Monty's coaching is even worse because the guy refuses to learn how to handle egos or get any sort of reasonable rotations going. Pelicans are set to remain as a mediocre team at best with him. They can't play defense, can score in spurts, and have no leadership on the floor. That all goes back to him. Draft picks are useless to him, and his hatred to work with young players not named AD is extremely discouraging.
Fact is Monty and Demps need to go for this franchise to flourish, and I don't see it happening any time soon.
Demps and Monty have been a disastrous duo if you ask me. Every time Demps takes a step forward, he takes two steps back and throws away any great trading pieces he has for cents on the dollar.
Assuming Gordon stayed healthy, he still blew it with Kaman. Even if you get 10 cents on the dollar its better than nothing with Kaman.
Then he blew it with Lopez/Vasquez in settling for giving them up for Tyreke. I think then blew it with the Jrue trade by not top 10-top 14 protecting the pick. Fine, we give them a pick, but if we don't make the playoffs this season, we shouldn't be giving up the pick.
Monty's coaching is even worse because the guy refuses to learn how to handle egos or get any sort of reasonable rotations going. Pelicans are set to remain as a mediocre team at best with him. They can't play defense, can score in spurts, and have no leadership on the floor. That all goes back to him. Draft picks are useless to him, and his hatred to work with young players not named AD is extremely discouraging.
Fact is Monty and Demps need to go for this franchise to flourish, and I don't see it happening any time soon.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 6:39 pm to LosLobos111
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Rome wasn't built in a day
I honestly thought we'd win 45 this year
Had all the injuries not happened and with how well the big 5 was playing with each other we would've came pretty damn close(hell we might still win 40 or so,we'd just have to go 17-13)
Which is mediocre in the Western conference. As structured and with the lack of cap flexibility, this team would be at the level of Houston the past decade at best. Houston finally got out of their own way and put together a potential contender, but had to blow things up to get there.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 6:42 pm to Geauxgurt
Right. Because our young players couldn't possibly get better. And their contracts are forever.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 6:45 pm to Geauxgurt
Injuries killed us this year, but I still can't believe that we're really this bad. Reminds me of the LSU hoops team. They are both a lot better than they've shown recently.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 6:47 pm to Fun Bunch
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Right. Because our young players couldn't possibly get better. And their contracts are forever
I am not worried about young players getting better, but that happens when they get playing time and coaching, which these players don't seem to get. Good coaching at least.
The other issue is just that. Their contracts don't last forever, but if you think this team is a title contender in the next 3 years under current management and coaching, you are delusional. They have a lot of talent, but need good coaching and better GM work. The entire team is tied to these players given their contracts the next 3 years.
Again, talented team, with a hodge podge of players that need great coaching to succeed, which the Pelicans don't have.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 6:49 pm to CecilShortsHisPants
Can't believe people questioning the Jrue trade.
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