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Can St. George duplicate what is going on in Central?
Posted on 2/17/14 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 2/17/14 at 4:03 pm
They made some mistakes, but they seem to be doing well on roughly a 5 million dollar a year budget, and a 6 million dollar a year income. In fact they now have almost a 20 million dollar surplus.
With a population of just over 27,500 and a budget of approximately 5 million dollars a year; it equates to under 182 dollars per person.
No wonder organizers of SG believe they can do plenty with 60 million dollars in revenue for their 107,000 or so citizens. In fact their proposed budget compared to Central's is very conservative.
This recent article in the Advocate lays out a strategy for a city with less government, but with the same services.
LINK
How did Central pull all this off without a tax increase? Well, one big thing was privatization. Instead of trying to patch road themselves, they have a contract with a private entity to do all public works. In fact there are only two full time city employees; an administrative officer and an asst. to the mayor.
Per the article other services are paid via property taxes as had been the case prior to Central incorporating.
When Central incorporated, the city officials didn't cooperate. Getting to the bottom of the numbers was an issue then as it is today with SG.
Perhaps St. George is too big? Perhaps it isn't unified? That might be the case and others seem to agree.
Let's see how it all plays out, but looking at Central you can understand why some in St. George believe that may be the best way for their families and their neighbors.
With a population of just over 27,500 and a budget of approximately 5 million dollars a year; it equates to under 182 dollars per person.
No wonder organizers of SG believe they can do plenty with 60 million dollars in revenue for their 107,000 or so citizens. In fact their proposed budget compared to Central's is very conservative.
This recent article in the Advocate lays out a strategy for a city with less government, but with the same services.
LINK
How did Central pull all this off without a tax increase? Well, one big thing was privatization. Instead of trying to patch road themselves, they have a contract with a private entity to do all public works. In fact there are only two full time city employees; an administrative officer and an asst. to the mayor.
Per the article other services are paid via property taxes as had been the case prior to Central incorporating.
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Law enforcement is primarily handled by the East Baton Rouge Parish Sheriff’s Office. The city has an elected police chief who is paid and reserve officers who work as volunteers.
The Sheriff’s Office’s services are covered by property taxes residents in Central have always paid to the city-parish, Barrow said. Barrow also said the city includes approximately $100,000 in the city budget annually to pay to the Sheriff’s Office as a supplement for extra patrols in the city limits.
Central also pays the East Baton Rouge Parish Animal Control Center $114,000 a year for its services through an intergovernmental agreement, Barrow said.
The city-parish handles sewer and garbage services and residents still pay fees to the city-parish for those services, as do other city and parish residents.
The property taxes Central residents pay also go to toward other city-parish services, such as BREC, parish libraries and mosquito control
When Central incorporated, the city officials didn't cooperate. Getting to the bottom of the numbers was an issue then as it is today with SG.
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One of the toughest parts of incorporation, Starns said, was trying to obtain detailed information needed from the city-parish about what exactly was collected in taxes in the area and what that money was spent on.
Starns said the city-parish was not cooperative with those seeking to incorporate Central and put out a steady stream of misinformation about the effort.
“Let’s just say their numbers were wrong,” Starns said.
Perhaps St. George is too big? Perhaps it isn't unified? That might be the case and others seem to agree.
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Moak said Central also had something St. George doesn’t appear to possess.
“The community of Central was always known as Central. We were always a community, even before we incorporated. That feeling of community, I don’t know if St. George really has that,” Moak said.
Let's see how it all plays out, but looking at Central you can understand why some in St. George believe that may be the best way for their families and their neighbors.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 4:26 pm to doubleb
I never heard cries of racism when the 91% white City of Central formed, but its all you hear in the attempt to form the 71% white city of St. George. I suppose its the easiest go-to argument in pretty much anything.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 4:36 pm to LSUWrangler
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I never heard cries of racism when the 91% white City of Central formed, but its all you hear in the attempt to form the 71% white city of St. George. I suppose its the easiest go-to argument in pretty much anything.
I think your first sentence contradicts your last.
Racism was mentioned as Central broke off, but because Central was a entity (whether legally recognized or not) anyway, the objections were muted.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 4:55 pm to doubleb
Your financial statistics conveniently omit the largest liability of Central that they have yet to pay a penny on in spite of the promises of their incorporation organizers prior to incorporating that they would pay. That liability alone is more than the surplus they've accumulated in five years.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:28 pm to LSURussian
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Your financial statistics conveniently omit the largest liability of Central that they have yet to pay a penny on in spite of the promises of their incorporation organizers prior to incorporating that they would pay. That liability alone is more than the surplus they've accumulated in five years.
Link please. I want to see in writing where Central owes 20 million dollars in liabilities. But maybe you are correct. If you are they could pay it off already if they so chose to do so.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:40 pm to doubleb
quote:Screw you and your lazy arse with your constant "links" demands. Either learn to use google, if your memory is so bad, or just stay ignorant.
Link please.
Central's refusal to pay legacy costs to BR has been all over the news repeatedly. It's been in the paper numerous times about how the city is now saying the organizers of the incorporation effort had no legal basis to promise to pay legacy costs that they said the city would pay if incorporation occurred.
The estimates of the legacy costs reach many millions of dollars. And not one PENNY has been paid. I saw one figure that approached $100 million.
Why do you think when the SG organizers pledge to pay legacy costs, BR officials just laugh at them? They've heard that promise before and nothing came from it.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:47 pm to LSURussian
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Screw you and your lazy arse with your constant "links" demands. Either learn to use google, if your memory is so bad, or just stay ignoran
This dude just hates the idea of anyone leaving the grip of the might BR government. Some people just do not support freedom.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 6:10 pm to LSURussian
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Screw you and your lazy arse with your constant "links" demands. Either learn to use google, if your memory is so bad, or just stay ignorant.
You make statements, you seldom reference where they are coming from, and then you call others lazy.
Same ole Russian.
Well I did google Central and legacy costs, and all I can find so far is legacy costs and the school system. I have yet to find anything about the City of Central owing the parish of EBR for legacy costs.
There are quite a few articles about Legacy Costs and the Central, Baker and Zachary School systems.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 6:41 pm to doubleb
Central brought new LEO tahoes. The only time those lazy fricks work is cooking for kids fundraiser for the detail pay. They do not work wrecks. They do nothing.
And central is a joke. I still sign my city as Baton Rouge, and that's saying something.
And central is a joke. I still sign my city as Baton Rouge, and that's saying something.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:08 pm to ASTL
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Central brought new LEO tahoes. The only time those lazy fricks work is cooking for kids fundraiser for the detail pay. They do not work wrecks. They do nothing. And central is a joke. I still sign my city as Baton Rouge, and that's saying something.
Damn. Your old lady must have grinded on somebody in Central huh bruh?
Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:17 pm to ASTL
I guess what I don't understand in all of this is Russian's irrational fear? It's an effort to put a vote before a group of people using legal means and following all the laws of the land.
Do we think Bodi White is pure as the driven snow? Of course not. But is Kip? Is Bones Addison? Cleo or Wilson Fields? Mike Walker? Smokey Bourgeois?
Corrupt, power hungry people exist everywhere. You will no more eradicate these threats to civilized society and good government than you will racism or bad credit.
The truth is deviant behavior in the political arena is just like deviant behavior anywhere else: you protect against it but ultimately it helps define things like civil behavior and good government.
It's like saying we should elect Jindal Governor for life because perhaps a corrupt man may register and run to replace him after his 2nd term. Or worse, that someone may just donate or help an otherwise decent man that isn't such a decent man get elected to the position.
Doesn't pass muster when it comes to an otherwise highly respected, very bright poster in my opinion...
Do we think Bodi White is pure as the driven snow? Of course not. But is Kip? Is Bones Addison? Cleo or Wilson Fields? Mike Walker? Smokey Bourgeois?
Corrupt, power hungry people exist everywhere. You will no more eradicate these threats to civilized society and good government than you will racism or bad credit.
The truth is deviant behavior in the political arena is just like deviant behavior anywhere else: you protect against it but ultimately it helps define things like civil behavior and good government.
It's like saying we should elect Jindal Governor for life because perhaps a corrupt man may register and run to replace him after his 2nd term. Or worse, that someone may just donate or help an otherwise decent man that isn't such a decent man get elected to the position.
Doesn't pass muster when it comes to an otherwise highly respected, very bright poster in my opinion...
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:36 pm to GFunk
Nothing irrational about my concern, not fear, grasshopper.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:04 pm to LSURussian
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LSURussian
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Nothing irrational about my concern, not fear, grasshopper.
What is wrong with citizens voting on this matter?
Your answers smack of some silly arse shut in saying, "Do you know how many GERMS there are outside!"
The reward obviously outweighs the risk in many peoples minds, and I think it's been proven that there are good and bad people involved.
By the way: There are good and bad people involved in ever facet of human existence, as well.
Why is this scary enough that you refuse to let people even vote yes or no?
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:33 pm to GFunk
In another thread Russian claimed that St.George legacy costs would be more than $800million. He repeatedly spouts off BS he has no factual reference to, and then gets pissy when you call him out on it. For some reason it irks him that St.George supporters have legitimate motivation, so he then presupposes we will be corrupt and throws accusations anywhere he can.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:42 pm to dragginass
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In another thread Russian claimed that St.George legacy costs would be more than $800million. .
Liar.
Here is my post that refers to $800 million. That is the approximate EBR total budget. LINK
You're the same guy who claimed the SG budget surplus of $20.5 million was after budgeting for legacy costs. I proved you wrong by posting the SG budget. LINK
You also made the ridiculous claim that 60% of the total tax revenues for all of EBR comes from SG. I proved you wrong about that and showed that AT MOST only 27% of the general fund taxes come fron SG but more likely only about 10%. LINK
You can't be believed. You make shite up.
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:49 pm to GFunk
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you refuse to let people even vote yes or no?
Are you under the impression I can prevent people from voting on incorporating? WTF???
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:59 pm to LSURussian
Wrong thread. Its all here.
LINK
I especially like the part where you just divide the city parish budget by 10% to come up with legacy costs. Instead of dividing the actual legacy costs....genius!
Please continue though. Tell us how your fear of future corruption somehow discredits the incorporation movement. I can't wait to hear more!
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 2/17/14 at 11:02 pm to dragginass
quote:WTF does that mean?
Wrong thread. Its all here.
I never said the SG legacy costs were $800 million. Post a link or you're a liar.
quote:I didn't divide anything by 10%. I MULTIPLIED BR's annual budget by 10% because YOU said 10% would be the LEAST amount of legacy costs SG would owe of the EBR budget! It was YOUR estimated %!!! LINK
I especially like the part where you just divide the city parish budget by 10% to come up with legacy costs. Instead of dividing the actual legacy costs....genius!
ETA: I just went through the thread you linked. Nowhere in it did I say the legacy costs were $800 million. Are you so desparate that you tell outright lies and then try to cover them up?? GTFO!
Serious question....are you drunk???
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 2/17/14 at 11:10 pm to LSURussian
You confused legacy costs with the total budget of 800million. Its all there
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 2/17/14 at 11:17 pm to dragginass
You're drunk or a liar or nuts. Which is it?
I've posted links showing your previous incorrect claims. You've done nothing but continue to lie without providing a single link to support your lies.
I've posted links showing your previous incorrect claims. You've done nothing but continue to lie without providing a single link to support your lies.
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