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re: TX Grand Jury Refuses To Indict Homeowner Defending House From Thug POS
Posted on 2/7/14 at 6:12 pm to bencoleman
Posted on 2/7/14 at 6:12 pm to bencoleman
Cops must not have liked that deputy, how else would a cop killer even live to see a Grand Jury?
Posted on 2/7/14 at 6:15 pm to lsutothetop
Good.
I don't know if this one was it but no knock warrants need to be banned.
I don't know if this one was it but no knock warrants need to be banned.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 6:55 pm to lsutothetop
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He had a felony and misdemeanor drugquote:before, but no history of violence and all his guns were legally owned. Aside from growing a few plants the feds don't want people growing he was pretty much a law-abiding citizen.
conviction
Does not compute. Convicted felons are not allowed to own firearms. (unless stipulated by a judge)
Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:02 pm to infantry1026
quote:He had 2 weed convictions, in texas the second one becomes a felony. Also in texas after a certain amount of time your gun rights are restored.
Does not compute. Convicted felons are not allowed to own firearms. (unless stipulated by a judge)
Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:09 pm to lsutothetop
If weed was legal that cop would still be alive. So stupid and senseless.
Glad they didn't charge the guy for murder..he wasn't in the wrong. Whoever thought it was a good idea to do a no knock warrant in the middle of the night over pot plants should be charged with manslaughter.
Glad they didn't charge the guy for murder..he wasn't in the wrong. Whoever thought it was a good idea to do a no knock warrant in the middle of the night over pot plants should be charged with manslaughter.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:20 pm to lsuroadie
quote:I would.
I wonder if PB would feel the same if the shooter was a heroin dealer with a previous record a mile long.
No knock warrants are bound to end with some cases like this. The people inside have no way of knowing the person coming thru the door means them no harm. The cop comes blasting thru the door and eventually, someone is gonna fire back and end like this.
I don't care what the guy is dealing. There is no necessity for a no knock warrant that outweighs the inevitability of poor outcomes. Just surround the fricking place and announce over a loudspeaker that you're coming in. Dude's not gonna eliminate all the evidence in that short of a time.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:36 pm to SettleDown
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Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:45 pm to Negative Nomad
quote:Enlighten us.
You morons don't even know what the purpose of a no knock warrant is for.
In this case, they said they believed he would get rid of the evidence.
But, go ahead. Tell us idiots what solid rationale there is for no knock warrants. All ears.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:45 pm to Negative Nomad
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You morons don't even know what the purpose of a no knock warrant is for.
We don't need to when we know that it can end like this with someone getting killed.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:47 pm to bencoleman
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Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:50 pm to Sentrius
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Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:54 pm to Negative Nomad
quote:What sounds better is stop the stupid no-knock warrants so nobody has to die over three pot plants you fricking moron. The guy in this story isn't dead the dumbass cop that chose to put everyone in danger is. There have been plenty of innocent citizens killed because of this stupid arse shite.
What sounds better
Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:54 pm to SettleDown
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Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:56 pm to Negative Nomad
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If your friend/coworker shot while serving a warrant and now we have a documented case of criminals beating the charge, what's the incentive for letting him/her live.
A good reason why no knock warrants should be banned.
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What sounds better, "cop killed serving warrant because suspect thought it was intruder" or "suspect killed after killing officer serving warrant." Witnesses can argue the intruder defense all day long but the suspect is still dead while serving a legitimate warrant signed by a judge and evidence supporting that claim. A jury would never convict a cop just like they didn't convict the criminal in this case.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:56 pm to Negative Nomad
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The purpose of a no knock warrant is due to the propensity for resistance/violence and preserve the evidence.
And risk being shot like the cop did in this story?
Indiana recently passed a law allowing citizens protection from law enforcement in situations like this.
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So since the guy deals in weed, coke or whatever, the police need to get into the home quickly. You don't want criminals arming themselves while Johnny law is outside knocking on the door like a moron or flushing/burning/hiding the evidence.
Not worth the risk of getting killed becuse they think you're an intruder or rival criminal.
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The no knock warrant is justified in this case becuSe it's exactly what the suspect did. He armed himself an killed the officer.
Because a no knock warrant set it up.
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Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:56 pm to bencoleman
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Posted on 2/7/14 at 8:00 pm to Negative Nomad
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What!?!? That makes no sense.
it increases the chances (Greatly, i might add) that a human may be killed over an allegation of non-violent crimes
it makes a lot of sense. the policy is terrible
Posted on 2/7/14 at 8:02 pm to Negative Nomad
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The no knock warrant is justified in this case becuSe it's exactly what the suspect did. He armed himself an killed the officer.
he only armed himself because the cops busted into his dwelling. if they had knocked, it would not have elevated to that level
Posted on 2/7/14 at 8:02 pm to Negative Nomad
quote:So, it is your assertion that breaking into a home where the occupant has no idea you're a cop REDUCES the odds of violence? Especially if the person in the house has a propensity for violence? Good fricking lord. No wonder cops are dying in shite like this(and the wrong civilians on occasion too)
The purpose of a no knock warrant is due to the propensity for resistance/violence and preserve the evidence
quote:If you got on a loudspeaker saying you were cops and busted in, it is HIGHLY unlikely that the evidence is gotten rid of that fast.
You don't want criminals arming themselves while Johnny law is outside knocking on the door like a moron or flushing/burning/hiding the evidence.
quote:No. He armed himself and killed an intruder who turned out to be an officer.
The no knock warrant is justified in this case becuSe it's exactly what the suspect did. He armed himself an killed the officer.
THAT's the problem with no knocks. It's sort of a natural reaction of someone who has a weapon in their home to shoot at someone blasting into their home.
Cops need to stop acting like they're busting down doors in Afghanistan. In Afghanistan, the guys busting doors INTEND to kill folks on the other side of the door. That's not supposed to be what cops are doing.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 8:04 pm to Negative Nomad
quote:Why yes it is the cops fault and unfortunately for you and others with your opinion the grand jury agrees. Now the judge that signed the warrant should lose his seat and his law license.
Right it's the cops fault. Not the guy breaking the law growing weed.
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