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re: This SB loss did NOTHING to affect Manning's legacy in a negative way
Posted on 2/3/14 at 9:02 am to ballscaster
Posted on 2/3/14 at 9:02 am to ballscaster
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If you count a playoff bye as a win
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 9:22 am to ballscaster
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Only five quarterbacks in history have won more of these games than he has won, and he isn't finished.
?? What are you using as a metric? He's 11-12 in the playoffs, and 1-2 in Super Bowls...
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If you count a playoff bye as a win, he's #4 all-time, and one more victory ties him at #3.
I do not--especially with Manning, who has eight (!) first-round losses in the playoffs.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 9:22 am to theunknownknight
Yeah I've got an issue of counting playoff byes as a win. I remember the thread that Ballcaster did using that methodology, and I disagree. IMO, Peyton gets plenty of credit for his ridiculously good regular seasons, hence the byes, but I don't believe you should count them as a win in the divisional round. Personally, I wouldn't count the wildcard round at all. Start with the divisional round.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 9:23 am to ballscaster
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If you count a playoff bye as a win
Oh lord
Posted on 2/3/14 at 9:23 am to ballscaster
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If you count a playoff bye as a win,
No.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 9:31 am to hikingfan
Yeah he should be oh so proud of his one Super Bowl victory against a Rex Grossman led offense. He got schooled by a second year cornerback in Tracey Porter and didn't even show up yesterday. Not to mention all the years Brady owned his arse. No he is not the GOAT.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 9:31 am to hikingfan
No. Nothing at all to hurt his Legacy.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 10:01 am to ballscaster
quote:I think his legacy is that he is an incredible QB, one of the best to ever play the game, but one that cannot seem to get it done in the playoffs.
To say that his legacy took a step back last night is to say that his legacy would have been better served by his not playing this season, and that just doesn't add up.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 10:58 am to ballscaster
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ballscaster
Manning has nothing left to prove in the regular season. He has done everything there is to do and been brilliant doing it. Nobody disputes that.
The question marks about him lie in his ability to perform on the biggest stages. Last night, on that stage, with a chance to erase that label he was terrible thus further adding to label.
He had a chance so shut everyone up last night and instead threw a barrel of gasoline on the haters fire.
The fact that he is so great in the regular season and so mediocre so often in the playoffs leaves a reasonable person to conclude he is either a stat compiler going against bad/average regular season defenses or a choker in the playoff. Neither shine a favorable light on him when being compared to the all time greats.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:12 am to boom roasted
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but one that cannot seem to get it done in the playoffs.
He has played in 3 Super Bowls, winning one. Don't diminish how difficult it is to win a Super Bowl.
Some people throw on this board throw "only one" Super Bowl around like it is no big deal.
Also, as has been said many times, Super Bowl wins are not the determining factor when deciding a players greatness. Not even close really.
This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 11:13 am
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:15 am to hikingfan
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This SB loss did NOTHING to affect Manning's legacy in a negative way
This board continues to amaze me
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:24 am to boXerrumble
quote:Just wanted to say your post game is so #tight. Man those emoticons are cool. I bet they make you feel like you're so hard.
This board continues to amaze me
This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 11:26 am
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:39 am to Sevendust912
quote:I understand how difficult it is to win a Superbowl. Only one team each season can win it. I was referencing his lackluster performances in the playoffs in general.
He has played in 3 Super Bowls, winning one. Don't diminish how difficult it is to win a Super Bowl.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 12:09 pm to MI LSU
quote:I'm using just what you said--must-win games, which I take to mean "playoffs." He's won more of those than all but five quarterbacks, and if he were to reach another Super Bowl, he will have cracked the top three or two.
?? What are you using as a metric? He's 11-12 in the playoffs, and 1-2 in Super Bowls...
quote:Odd, since he's only played in the first round seven times.
I do not--especially with Manning, who has eight (!) first-round losses in the playoffs.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 12:10 pm to boom roasted
quote:Only five quarterbacks in history have gotten it done more than he has, and he isn't finished.
I think his legacy is that he is an incredible QB, one of the best to ever play the game, but one that cannot seem to get it done in the playoffs.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 12:12 pm to RandySavage
quote:I don't necessarily disagree with any of this, but none of this speaks for his having taken a step back with his legacy. Today his legacy is exactly what it was two days ago.
Manning has nothing left to prove in the regular season. He has done everything there is to do and been brilliant doing it. Nobody disputes that.
The question marks about him lie in his ability to perform on the biggest stages. Last night, on that stage, with a chance to erase that label he was terrible thus further adding to label.
He had a chance so shut everyone up last night and instead threw a barrel of gasoline on the haters fire.
The fact that he is so great in the regular season and so mediocre so often in the playoffs leaves a reasonable person to conclude he is either a stat compiler going against bad/average regular season defenses or a choker in the playoff. Neither shine a favorable light on him when being compared to the all time greats.
This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 2/3/14 at 12:16 pm to ballscaster
quote:He's also has more losses than anyone. I think this is what everyone is focusing on with regards to his legacy.
Only five quarterbacks in history have gotten it done more than he has.
Not really trying to turn this into a serious argument. Peyton is my favorite QB of all time (mainly because of his passing academy), but I do think he struggles in the playoffs. Be it true or false, this is my perception and I feel that this is shared with many others.
This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 2/3/14 at 12:18 pm to hikingfan
His winning percentage post season is below 50% and he has a reputation of losing the "big games". That is part of his legacy too. "Best regular season quarterback of all time surpassing Dan Marino", that is going to be his current legacy. He could turn that around though with a Superbowl win before he retires.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 12:18 pm to ballscaster
quote:This is true but not in a good way.
I don't necessarily disagree with any of this, but none of this speaks for his having taken a step back with his legacy. Today his legacy is exactly what it was two days ago.
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