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re: Why does it seem like liberalism always wins in the end?
Posted on 1/12/14 at 10:20 am to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 1/12/14 at 10:20 am to Draconian Sanctions
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again you keep falling back into these oversimplifications. It makes having a conversation with you about this stuff really difficult because it just doesn't work that way. Stop thinking two dimensionally and we'll talk again.
I'm simplifying because you've demonstrated limited mental abilities. Just look at what you pass off as refutation of a point: 'No' "You're wrong" "that's silly". I know 10 year olds who have greater critical thinking skills.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 10:21 am to Zach
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The value system guiding liberalism is egalitarianism. If that confuses you think of 'social justice'. Life isn't fair and only govt intervention can make life more fair.
Again that's just wrong. Mainstream american liberals don't believe in equality of results we believe in equality of opportunity. Conservatives tend to think equality of opportunity already exists. We disagree.
You're continuing to try to push the right wing view of liberalism as the "definition", which would be just as absurd as me taking Rachel Maddow's view of conservatives as the "right" one.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 10:23 am to Zach
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you've demonstrated limited mental abilities
this is definitely the way to get someone to come around to your way of thinking
I don't know how many other ways to say it, but you don't know what you're talking about. You can't even frame your arguments correctly so how can I even get to the substance of what you think you're trying to say?
Posted on 1/12/14 at 10:25 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Mainstream american liberals don't believe in equality of results we believe in equality of opportunity.
Wrong. Liberals believe in redistribution of wealth. That has nothing to do with opportunity; it deals with results. All forms of welfare were created to fix the bad results of people's bad decisions.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 10:25 am to Zach
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That's libertarian which is a subset of the larger term conservative.
No. Libertarian is closer to the extreme-right than conservatism. Both are sub-sets of smaller government. The next step is self-rule.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 10:27 am to Zach
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Wrong
So you know more about what I believe in than I do?
This just gets better and better
Posted on 1/12/14 at 10:28 am to Draconian Sanctions
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you don't know what you're talking about
Again, a child like attempt at refutation.
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You can't even frame your arguments correctly so how can I even get to the substance of what you think you're trying to say?
1. I'm framing my arguments perfectly and I'm sure all the other posters here understand them.
2. If you can't understand my arguments then I don't see why you would want me to get MORE complex.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 10:30 am to Zach
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This post was edited on 1/12/14 at 10:30 am
Posted on 1/12/14 at 10:30 am to unbeWEAVEable
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No. Libertarian is closer to the extreme-right than conservatism.
Libertarianism is certainly farther to the right than what YOU are calling conservative. I'm calling everything right of dead center as conservative with various subgroups along the line....like the Christian right; single-issue types (ban abortion); isolationists, etc.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 10:30 am to Draconian Sanctions
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anything other than myself
Well, no one is as interested in taking care of me than myself
I'm sure the same is true for you as well.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 10:33 am to Draconian Sanctions
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So you know more about what I believe in than I do?
Redistribution of wealth is a basic liberal position. If you are opposed to welfare, food stamps, affirmative action, etc. then maybe you're not a liberal.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 10:34 am to Zach
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I'm framing my arguments perfectly
I know that you think you are, but that doesn't make it so
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If you can't understand my arguments then I don't see why you would want me to get MORE complex.
I understand them perfectly, they are just incorrect. I have repeatedly tried to explain to you in excruciating detail why they are incorrect. There's really not much else I can do for you.
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I'm sure all the other posters here understand them.
I don't think that's true at all, either. Except for maybe the mouth breather hyper-conservatives who base all their beliefs on what Fox News and conservative radio tells them. That's the camp that you're in at this point. It is the bottom rung of the poli board.
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Again, a child like attempt at refutation.
Again, there comes a point where there's nothing left for me to say. I have tried to talk to you like a normal person but you're incapable of even recognizing the most basic facts about how people's political beliefs work. If you can't understand that then there's really nothing left to be said.
This post was edited on 1/12/14 at 10:37 am
Posted on 1/12/14 at 10:36 am to Zach
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Redistribution of wealth is a basic liberal position
again, you're parroting the extreme right wing version of liberalism. This is getting comical
Posted on 1/12/14 at 10:39 am to Draconian Sanctions
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I understand them perfectly, they are just incorrect. I have repeatedly tried to explain to you in excruciating detail why they are incorrect. There's really not much else I can do for you.
Zach is a legend in his own mind. To him, there is no one with more experience, no one with a better memory, no one with more interesting stories. And that's all fine. Harmless delusion. But don't try to show him the truth. Won't work. He's unyielding because he actually believes there's no one with more experience, no one with a better memory, no one with more interesting stories.
He's like an eccentric uncle. Just smile and nod his way. Things work out better that way.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 10:44 am to Draconian Sanctions
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This is getting comical
Yeah. Real funny. AUTHORITARIAN SOCIALIST murder over a HUNDRED MILLION of their own, in their grand crusade for *equality* and social justice...and those of us who stand our ground against this creeping virulent bs...are "parroting the extreme right wing version of liberalism".
You won't be laughing if they keep this crap up. None of us will. This aint Russia or China. Screw the 'Party'! You're Clinton-speak/spin won't go anywhere on this board, DS. Nice try though.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 10:46 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Conservatives seek to CONSERVE the traditional Traditions, Principles and Ideals as well as The Rule of Law that have made America the most prosperous country on Earth.
18TH Century Liberals (modern-day Conservatives) fought for and created Independence from Britain.
It was the Conservatives of The Republican Party who abolished slavery, as they sought to CONSERVE the values of Individual Liberty contained in the US Constitution .
It was not The Conservatives who implemented The New Deal, you have that right at least. It was a mixture of mid 20th Century Conservatives and Liberals that established Civil Rights.
It seems, that like a sophomore in HS, you have assigned the word "good" to Liberalism, and the word "bad" to Conservatism. In HS, that might get you an admiring glance from Sweet Nancy Moistpants in row three, but here it just reveals you as a half-wit.
Your assertion seems impervious to actual facts. I must assume you are either committed to hackery rather than truth, or just ignorant of American History.
18TH Century Liberals (modern-day Conservatives) fought for and created Independence from Britain.
It was the Conservatives of The Republican Party who abolished slavery, as they sought to CONSERVE the values of Individual Liberty contained in the US Constitution .
It was not The Conservatives who implemented The New Deal, you have that right at least. It was a mixture of mid 20th Century Conservatives and Liberals that established Civil Rights.
It seems, that like a sophomore in HS, you have assigned the word "good" to Liberalism, and the word "bad" to Conservatism. In HS, that might get you an admiring glance from Sweet Nancy Moistpants in row three, but here it just reveals you as a half-wit.
Your assertion seems impervious to actual facts. I must assume you are either committed to hackery rather than truth, or just ignorant of American History.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 10:52 am to Vegas Bengal
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no one with a better memory,
Well, one amendment to that... I have good long term memory but very bad short term. I can remember stuff that happened 30 years ago in great detail. But yesterday is a total blur.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 11:09 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Because liberalism in the US provides the easy, immediate gratification route with little care as to the price.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 11:09 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Redistribution of wealth is a basic liberal position
again, you're parroting the extreme right wing version of liberalism.
Drawing on the modern liberal ideal of equality, you disputing this?
Posted on 1/12/14 at 11:11 am to Zach
Neuro-pep-12...will cure that Zach. National authority, Dr. CROOK (not kidding) says so. On WAFB right now.
Socialism and nuerop12...piece of cake.
Socialism and nuerop12...piece of cake.
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