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Top 10 NFL playoff QB's, the way we should look at it
Posted on 12/30/13 at 11:36 pm
Posted on 12/30/13 at 11:36 pm
In response to the incessant jabbing that Manning takes on message boards for going 9-11 in the playoffs (if you need it explained to you why that's better than say, Kurt Warner's 9-4, then you're an idiot who should exit this thread and find one about what Skip Bayless said yesterday), I tallied down some numbers the way we should see them.
Because the NFL gives playoff byes, sometimes the better teams tally down fewer wins in proportion to their success. For example, if Denver were to beat Indianapolis in the AFC Championship game and lose in the Super Bowl, both Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck will have 2-1 playoff records for this season, though it is undeniable that Manning was the more successful one by virtue of advancing further. What I'm saying is that a playoff bye is essentially the exact same as a wild card round win, so I'm counting it as such for this post.
Making it to the playoffs: 1 point
Making it to the divisional round: 1 point
Making it to the conference championship round: 1 point
Making it to the Super Bowl: 1 point
Winning the Super Bowl - 1 point
Here's your top ten playoff quarterbacks of all time (current playoff situations are counted):
QB - Playoff app - Divisional app - Conf ch'ship app - SB app - SB wins - total
1. Tom Brady - 11 10 7 5 3 - 36
2. Joe Montana - 11 9 7 4 4 - 35
3. Terry Bradshaw - 9 8 6 4 4 - 31
3. John Elway - 10 8 6 5 2 - 31
5. Brett Favre - 12 9 5 2 1 - 29
6. Peyton Manning - 13 9 3 2 1 - 28
7. Roger Staubach - 7 7 7 4 2 - 27
8. Troy Aikman - 8 6 4 3 3 - 24
8. Jim Kelly - 8 7 5 4 0 - 24
10. Dan Marino - 10 8 3 1 0 - 22
Brady is #1, and I doubt anybody passes him. If Denver were to win the Super Bowl this year, Manning is tied at #3.
Because the NFL gives playoff byes, sometimes the better teams tally down fewer wins in proportion to their success. For example, if Denver were to beat Indianapolis in the AFC Championship game and lose in the Super Bowl, both Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck will have 2-1 playoff records for this season, though it is undeniable that Manning was the more successful one by virtue of advancing further. What I'm saying is that a playoff bye is essentially the exact same as a wild card round win, so I'm counting it as such for this post.
Making it to the playoffs: 1 point
Making it to the divisional round: 1 point
Making it to the conference championship round: 1 point
Making it to the Super Bowl: 1 point
Winning the Super Bowl - 1 point
Here's your top ten playoff quarterbacks of all time (current playoff situations are counted):
QB - Playoff app - Divisional app - Conf ch'ship app - SB app - SB wins - total
1. Tom Brady - 11 10 7 5 3 - 36
2. Joe Montana - 11 9 7 4 4 - 35
3. Terry Bradshaw - 9 8 6 4 4 - 31
3. John Elway - 10 8 6 5 2 - 31
5. Brett Favre - 12 9 5 2 1 - 29
6. Peyton Manning - 13 9 3 2 1 - 28
7. Roger Staubach - 7 7 7 4 2 - 27
8. Troy Aikman - 8 6 4 3 3 - 24
8. Jim Kelly - 8 7 5 4 0 - 24
10. Dan Marino - 10 8 3 1 0 - 22
Brady is #1, and I doubt anybody passes him. If Denver were to win the Super Bowl this year, Manning is tied at #3.
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Posted on 12/30/13 at 11:38 pm to ballscaster
Thanks, John Clayton.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 11:39 pm to ballscaster
Making it to the playoffs, making it to the Super Bowl, and winning the Super Bowl being weighted the same is dumb.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 11:41 pm to ballscaster
Posted on 12/30/13 at 11:42 pm to ballscaster
quote:
I tallied down some numbers the way we should see them.
This is a decent attempt, but still stupid
Posted on 12/30/13 at 11:42 pm to ballscaster
If you ain't first, you're last.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 11:42 pm to ballscaster
looks like you put a lot of time into this.
good luck.
good luck.
This post was edited on 12/30/13 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 12/30/13 at 11:44 pm to ballscaster
I think it's a good point 
Posted on 12/30/13 at 11:49 pm to ballscaster
This is almost as dumb as ranking QBs by Super Bowl wins.
The QBs that had better teams/defenses are ranked high. Ground breaking information.
The QBs that had better teams/defenses are ranked high. Ground breaking information.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 11:54 pm to ballscaster
Honestly IMO this is interesting and pretty well done.
You'll still get shredded to pieces by others though.
You'll still get shredded to pieces by others though.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 12:08 am to ballscaster
quote:Not quite, just the QBs who have been on the top 10 most successful teams based on your calculations.
Here's your top ten playoff quarterbacks of all time
They're not one in the same.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 8:29 am to ballscaster
Compare Montana's post-season stats to Brady's. Montana is better. Especially in the Super Bowl. And Brady plays in a much more passing QB-friendly era.
Montana: 11TDs-0INTS plus 2 rushing TDs in 4 SBs. 4-0
Brady: 9TDs-2INTs and 0 rushing TDs in 5 SBs. 3-2
Montana: 11TDs-0INTS plus 2 rushing TDs in 4 SBs. 4-0
Brady: 9TDs-2INTs and 0 rushing TDs in 5 SBs. 3-2
This post was edited on 12/31/13 at 8:40 am
Posted on 12/31/13 at 9:10 am to ballscaster
So the best way to measure a QB's quality is by measuring his team's quality.
Gotcha.
Gotcha.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 9:21 am to ballscaster
How would you tally someone like Bart Starr who won 3 NFL championships before there was a Super Bowl game?
This post was edited on 12/31/13 at 9:21 am
Posted on 12/31/13 at 10:27 am to ballscaster
I think a Super Bowl win should be weighted a bit heavier. Two points instead of one maybe.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 2:41 pm to ballscaster
It's all perception. Brady started 10-0 in the playoffs when he was not the focus of the team, so his legacy was cemented. He has since gone 7-7 after becoming the focus of the team, but his legacy was already cemented. Belichick has noticeably started to make Brady not the focus anymore the past couple of seasons, trading passing firepower for defense and running backs. He also understands that elite offensive line (which he always has) is more important than elite receivers.
Manning did not win a single playoff game his first 5 seasons in the league, even getting blown out 41-0 in 2002, thus cementing his legacy for all time. He is also a victim of a very high expectations due to his 4 MVP's and people like me talking him up as the GOAT constantly. He has had the lead in the fourth quarter in 11 consecutive playoffs games but lost most of them and gets the blame. He has had some sub-par games but has also had some of the best individual game performances in playoff history.
People are also very short-term minded. If he wins the super bowl this year, the perception will change, only to revert back to the old way if he goes one and done the following season.
One thing you can rely on is a playoff appearance. In 15 seasons he has made the playoffs 13 times under 4 different head coaches, including his last 11 seasons of playing. 13 playoffs is the record for an NFL QB. He has willed some average teams to the playoffs and lost to better competition, especially in his earlier years. His brother has a better playoff record at 8-4, but all 8 of those wins were from his two super bowl runs and he has missed the playoffs the last 2 seasons and 4 times overall. So 40% of the time, his team has not even made the playoffs. Peyton would have helped those subpar teams to the playoffs and lost the first game to better teams, yet Eli somehow looks better in that scenario for not even making the playoffs but preserving a better win-loss record in the playoffs.
Manning did not win a single playoff game his first 5 seasons in the league, even getting blown out 41-0 in 2002, thus cementing his legacy for all time. He is also a victim of a very high expectations due to his 4 MVP's and people like me talking him up as the GOAT constantly. He has had the lead in the fourth quarter in 11 consecutive playoffs games but lost most of them and gets the blame. He has had some sub-par games but has also had some of the best individual game performances in playoff history.
People are also very short-term minded. If he wins the super bowl this year, the perception will change, only to revert back to the old way if he goes one and done the following season.
One thing you can rely on is a playoff appearance. In 15 seasons he has made the playoffs 13 times under 4 different head coaches, including his last 11 seasons of playing. 13 playoffs is the record for an NFL QB. He has willed some average teams to the playoffs and lost to better competition, especially in his earlier years. His brother has a better playoff record at 8-4, but all 8 of those wins were from his two super bowl runs and he has missed the playoffs the last 2 seasons and 4 times overall. So 40% of the time, his team has not even made the playoffs. Peyton would have helped those subpar teams to the playoffs and lost the first game to better teams, yet Eli somehow looks better in that scenario for not even making the playoffs but preserving a better win-loss record in the playoffs.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 12:30 pm to ballscaster
quote:
What I'm saying is that a playoff bye is essentially the exact same as a wild card round win, so I'm counting it as such for this post.
Lets all manipulate stats to make a new point...beating Iowa in the Outback Bowl only counts as half a win...so I'm counting it as such for this post.
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